john
2008-12-01
Let me state very clearly here, I never said that Women speaking in pubic were being unrully in the context of verse 34 & 35.
What I did say which is correct is that the context of Pauls letter and instructions to the Corinthians was because the church body as a whole were being unruly and disordered in their gatherings as a body.
Eveyone wanted to Prophecy, Everyone wanted to speak in Tongues, everyone wanted to interpret and it was causing their gatherings to be chaotic, unruly and with out order! He then addresses how they should conduct themselves in their gatherings and part of his instructions included those to the women of that body, and that is the context that the verses 34 & 35 are included in. He was not giving a blanket proscription of women speaking in their gatherings. He was addressing an out of control situation by the entire body including women!
He was reminding wives of their God ordained role to submit to their husbands and not be part of unruliness or disorder thereby shaming their husbands in public!
It is utterly ludicrous to say that verses 34 & 35 are attributed to “Judaizers” when there is no context within the passage to even vaguely suggest that!
Just because you have found an oral tradition that discriminates against women under all circumstances does not mean you can shoe horn the interpetation of verses 34 & 35 into being that oral law!
It is a stretch of that passage that goes far beyond logical reason for a specific agenda. A demanding agenda!
And again in regards to someone demanding equality within a Body, No it is not of God to demand equality, man or woman. Because what they are demanding is fallen fleshly equality. God does not honor a request like that.
Yes there is Spiritual Equality in the Church in Christ, but that is not the same as fallen fleshly equality that is being demanded here. And in regards to the statement that I benefit from the as is, again betrays a heart that feels slighted, wronged and wants justice for that perceived wrong!
But it is misplaced and when you rely on wronged feelings to drive your theology this is where it leads!
I have no issue with women in leadership, i have no fear of women in leadership, or women as preachers, I know many! But what I do not like is people mishandling Gods word to try and manipulate it to fit their skewed ideology. And thats what is being done with this passage.
Rabbinical tradition is the avenue today that all kinds of groups have latched onto in order to manufacture their very own interpretation of God’s word to fit their own fallen agenda! It is a false avenue and one that destroys the very clear context of passages such as this.
God’s Word is antithetical to Rabinnical Tradition! for anyone to attempt to use it to interpret the New Testament is Spiritually blind!
I reject your position not because I fear an different “viewpoint” I reject it because it is clearly false, and it mishandles a passage for a personal fallen agenda.
In God’s economy you do not demand! And it matters not the gender of the messenger in regards to that truth!
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