Cheryl Schatz
2009-09-26
7 Mark,
Regarding what you said were “roles” I asked you who had the “role” of Creator? Who then is “called” the Creator? The one “role” of Creator is given to all three. Jesus is not the only one who “did” creation. Who did Job say made him?
Job 33:4 “The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Isa 40:28 Do you not know? Have you not heard? The Everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth Does not become weary or tired. His understanding is inscrutable.
The work of creation and so the title of Creator clearly belongs to Jesus to:
Heb 1:10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
Therefore all three are the Creator.
Who is the Savior? You said it is Jesus:
Saviour- Jesus functioned as saviour. John 17 shows the relationship between Father and Son and clearly the Father sent the son. Part verses 1-4 shows how it was Jesus who redeemed humanity. We cannot say that the Father was the one who died on the cross.
However it is God who is called Savior in the OT, not just the God-man.
Psa 106:21 They forgot God their Savior, Who had done great things in Egypt,
Hos 13:4 Yet I have been the LORD your God Since the land of Egypt; And you were not to know any god except Me, For there is no savior besides Me.
Isa 45:21 “Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.
Isa 43:11 “I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me.
Clearly it is the triune God who is the Savior, not just Jesus who died on the cross.
Regarding the resurrection of Jesus and who raised Him, you said:
Resurrection- this is a good one, i have never really considered it to be honest, but we must clearly state that it obviously wasn’t the person of Jesus who did the raising. If we try and seperate Jesus deity at this point i think we may be wrong. For it was necessary for the Son of God to endure the wrath of God not merely his ‘human’ side.
It most certainly was Jesus who raised Himself. Jesus said:
Joh 2:18 The Jews then said to Him, “What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?”
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Joh 2:20 The Jews then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
Joh 2:21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
Who raised the body of Jesus? Jesus said that He would raise up his own body. Yet we also know that the Father raised Jesus from the dead
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),
and the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead:
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
There is only one God and that one God is Creator and the one who raised Jesus from the dead. That one God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
There is only one God (not three Gods) and there is only one Lord (not three Lords). That one God has one will (not three wills) as God is united in one being. Three persons, one being, one will, one God.
Mark, you said:
Besides once resurrected ‘the christ’ didn’t then re-unite with the human Jesus. I’d be interested in your take on this?
The Athanasian creed says:
Although He is God and man, He is not two, but one Christ.
Jesus is still in heaven as the Christ, the glorified Son of God. He IS God and man and was resurrected as a man.
I am not altogether sure what you mean that “the christ” didn’t reunite with the human Jesus after the resurrection. It seems to me that you are denying that Jesus was resurrected as a man?
As far as showing that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit work together in all things, I have shown this throughout this comment. All are the I AM, The first and the last, The rock, The Savior, Lord of lords and God of Gods. They work together as God in unity. There is only one God, only one King and only one Glory and one Will. There is complete unity in the Trinity as the Athanasian Creed shows:
This is what the catholic faith teaches: we worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity…But the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit have one divinity, equal glory, and coeternal majesty. What the Father is, the Son is, and the Holy Spirit is.
I hope this helps!
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