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Javier

First of all, many of your questions are being discussed in the most recent couple of posts by Cheryl. You may want to review those posts as well as you could “kill two birds with one stone” by joining the conversation there.

Now to your questions

“So, was it just a matter of who got to the fruit first?”
Was what just a matter of who got to the fruit first? I don’t understand what you are getting at.

“Why did the serpert approach the woman and not the man? There has to be a misssing link in our whole understanding or the passage…Was the serpent evaluating Adam and the woman to see where the weakness was?”
A couple things. First, the serpent approached both of them. The text is clear that the man was with the woman as she had her conversation with the serpent. Now, why he engaged the woman in the conversation and not the man is not clear. But what we do know is that the woman was deceived by the serpent, while the man was not. It may be simply a case, as you suggest, of the serpent attacking the one who he was most likely to deceive. That does seem sensible, but we may never know for sure until we get to heaven and can ask.

“Was it a tug of war between Adam and the woman?”
That is what many assume but that also presumes a hierarchy in the relationship. Neither a pre-fall hierarchy or a tug of war between Adam and Eve are supported in the bible anywhere.

BTW – I’m not sure what any of this line of questioning has to do with women wanting to be worshipped. But I’ll plow ahead.

“Our whole understanding of romatic human relationship has gone haywire because of this whole incident.”
Actually, I would say that the reality of romantic human relationship has gone haywire because of this whole incident. I’m not sure our understanding of either pre-fall or post-fall marriage is altered because of the incident. But the marriage relationship as acted out in fleshly, fallen humans, definately changed from the cooperative partnership that existed in the garden.

“Why was Paul so much aganist women leading the congregation? Women must cover their head for fear of the Angels? What did he mean by that? Women have been the target of rebel angels. Did Angels mated with women (Before the flood) because there was something about them that appeals to the fallen spirits the same thing that lured the serpent to the woman (Eve)? I there a relation to the great obsession young and mature woman have for these new, seductive, evil, violent vampire novels?”
Again, this is being discussed in detail in the latest thread. I suggest you go there for your answers. (And it is presumptuous that women alone are attracted to the latest vampire craze).

“All this has to offer some relation to the whole incident in Eden. Why did Eve eat the fruit??? Why not Adam????”
Scripture is clear, she ate because she was deceived. I think the flaw in your perspective is that you believe Eve ate because of some fleshly desire that existed in her. She did not. She ate because the serpent tricked her into eating. Adam, on the other hand, ate knowing full well the implications and seeing thru the serpent’s lies. His was the more serious sin and that is whay all sin entered the world thru him even though he was the second one to eat.

“She took the lead.”
No, the serpent took the lead. Your statement assumes a conscious decision on Eve’s part to usurp some Adamic authority. But the bible nowhere states that Adam was in authority over Eve. There was no leadership in the first couple for her to grasp. You also fail to consider that she was deceived. Unlike Adam, she did not commit an act of willful rebellion. You must factor in that she was deceived when trying to analyse this passage.

“Most women fight for control in the relationship but don’t really want it.”
That is a common presumption but anecdotal at best. I can tell you that most women in this blog will tell you anecdotally that they most certainly do not fight for control in the relationship.

“Was there a flaw in Adam that force the woman to take the lead? If there was then God failed in creating a perfect man and woman. Was there a flaw in the woman?”
Again, the woman did not take the lead, so the first question is based on a false presumption. Now, was Adam or Eve flawed? That’s touchy. Depends on what you mean by a “flaw”. What we do know is that Eve was deceived, so there may have been either a lack of knowledge or resistence to deception. Either could be called a “flaw”, I suppose. Considering Adam’s longer tenure with God and Adam’s observation of many of God’s creative acts and Adam’s almost certainly greater exposure to the serpent and his tricks, it seems likely that it was a lack of knowledge that left Eve vulnerable.

“What exactly did the serpent reveal to her in those hidden, vague, metaphoric words, “You will be like God”.”
I’m not sure. What I know is that she bought it and Adam knew it was a lie.