Mark

ok i think we need to clarify a few things…

it seems like Dave and Cheryl are expecting me to find the term ‘office’ in the NT to back my claim. I have no intention of trying to prove such a thing because its not there. The point i am making is just because the word isnt there, doesn’t mean the picture/meaning is portrayed. Pastors/Elders/ Deacons are all offices in the sense that they are positions/roles within the church structure.

Cheryl, im not denying woman are part of the ‘priesthood’. I’m simply saying that your understanding of the priesthood is not correct and should not be used as support for your view. The priesthood is metaphorical for the people of God as a whole. The Levitical priesthood was a designated role, for designated men to perform. In answer to your question, the Levitical Priesthood became void at the sacrificial death of Christ, once for all. The need for the Hebrew cult is no longer necessary.

Hence why i disagree with you using it for your view and likewise i disagree with you using the ‘prophesying’ of 1 Cor as evidence for your view. Neither is being accurate of the overall biblical picture of prophecy and priesthood.

Again, just because Paul doesn’t call timothy a ‘pastor’ doesn’t make his role void. You have yet to show how his role was NOT that of a Pastor. The reality is you can’t. He was acting in a Pastoral position regardless of whether Paul called him ‘Pastor Timothy’ or not. After all where is ‘Trinity’ in the bible? You should not be so quick to dismiss stuff just because the word isn’t there. The meanings are clearly present.

Let me clarify one thing. The only false teachers we know about in Ephesus, where Timothy is ministering, are men. An argument from silence is hardly as convincing as we what we are actually told.

pinklight,

you asked

“What is “the spritual head of a man” category? How do pastors and elders fall under this category? And how does a restriction on women teaching in church fall under this category??”

This category falls under the man i believe because men are the only ones aloud to be elders/pastors. We can engage in a discussion about the relevant texts for this but atm i’m trying to concentrate on these videos, but im sure we will get there at some stage. The restriction falls to women teaching because women are never given that position and Paul does not permit women to teach in those settings. Thats my position anyway.