Cheryl Schatz

Mark

it seems like Dave and Cheryl are expecting me to find the term ‘office’ in the NT to back my claim. I have no intention of trying to prove such a thing because its not there. The point i am making is just because the word isnt there, doesn’t mean the picture/meaning is portrayed. Pastors/Elders/ Deacons are all offices in the sense that they are positions/roles within the church structure.

Okay, so “office” is not in the Bible. But “role” isn’t there either. Pastor is clearly a gift but “position” is another term that is not in the Scriptures. Everything is “gift” based not position, not role, not office. I can guarantee you that “gift” is there in the Scriptures but you are going to have a really hard time as you find nothing for any of the other terms.

Again, just because Paul doesn’t call timothy a ‘pastor’ doesn’t make his role void.

There are no “roles” but there is the work of an overseer. Any can desire this work and those who do desire it must study to show themselves approved unto God a workman that does not need to be ashamed. This is a “good” work.

You have yet to show how his role was NOT that of a Pastor.

He isn’t called a pastor and he didn’t stay in Ephesus to tend the sheep. His work was primarily that of overseeing the work of clearing up the error, getting the deceived taught and inside the church where they could be nurtured and then he moved on to serve Paul in other areas. Do you agree?