Mark

Just a quick response as i dont have much time. Gengwell i will give you a more detailed answer soon.

I am astonished at the extent that people ignore the obvious. Both 1 Cor 14 and 1 Tim 2 ARE in the context of a formal type church gathering. Dave i said earlier how i see this in 1 Cor so please look there. Chapter 2 of Tim is a focus on public worship. Chapter 3 then goes on to give the qualifications for the church leaders. It is all about the ‘formal’ church. Perhaps try and read the text!

Dave i have no doubts that Jesus is present when we meet together. In fact isn’t His spirit with us ALL the time. The point is clear, both the passages above are in the context of a more formal church gathering, and that is where Paul restricts the women from teaching. Dave your quote of Jesus shows little but an ignoring of the context of passages. PLease show me FROM the passages how this is NOT a formal type church gathering context?

Cheryl, the reference to creation doesnt cause a problem for my view- rather the opposite. The reason only a man should be an elder/pastor/preaching is because the man is in effect the ‘head’ and this is to be shown in the body of believers and leadership. It is exactly the same way Paul uses creation in 1 Cor 11, to show that the husband is the head of the wife. I think the problem lies with your view. Why would PAul even bother talking about Genesis in either text if we are to accept the egalitarian position?
Also your whole post #116 really shows me that you don’t look at the overall biblical picture and attepmt to disprove my position by trying to cram all information out of 1 small passage. Please give proper arguments or critiques.