Mark

Cheryl,

“I also accept that the Hebrew grammar makes a distinction between knowing God’s name and knowing His full character that He revealed with Moses.”
This is a massive debate which we have barely touched on, so i hope you can appreciate why i had to probe your view since it was producing a contradiction in the word. But it is good to see you be corrected and accept the word.

“I would sure like you to admit when you change your mind too”
Actually i haven’t changed my mind. Earlier i mentioned that you have now gone with 1 conservative approach to reconciling the problem with Exodus 6:3. The other conservative view is somewhat basically what i am putting forward. But again the research here is extensive and i am by no means an expert on it, but i’m sure if you looked into the 2 conservative views that reconcile this problem you will see that i am not a ‘liberal’. The reason i side with my view, is because if we probe your ‘new’ view we have further complications with the gospels. For example, did Jesus perform the same miracles 4 times over, did he say the same parables 4 times over etc etc. I’ll leave this here and hopefully if you choose to look into this further you might see why it is inaccurate to label me a liberal.

” I do not believe that it has been tainted nor that someone later added to God’s Word.”

Not totally sure what you mean by this? Do you think this is what i believe? Can you explain for me how you understand the later redactions on certain texts. For example it is almost universally recognised that Moses wrote the Pentateuch, yet it records his own death. If another writer redacted this at a later date does that make it less ‘inspired’ in your opinion? Or is it some sort of prophecy on Moses behalf about his own death? Can it be redacted but still be preserved to be God’s words? I’d love to know your opinion here so i can better know where you come from when reading scripture…sorry i know its abit off topic.

“Although the term “source” is used for often than anything else, there can be other meanings.”
I’m glad you have said this, it makes it much easier to progress in the arguments.

“It is Andreas Kostenberger who teaches that women will be saved from deception if they continue in their roles as wives and mothers.”
So he is NOT saying it is her works that gives her salvation? Was Lin wrong in what she said about works salvation? His view is that it will just stop her from being deceived right and has nothing to do with her salvation?

“I recently purchased a booklet written by a woman defending women’s freedom to minister the Word of God. It was written in 1666. Hardly a view influenced by “feminism” in 1666. It is a common tactic that CBMW uses and seems to dissuade people from looking at all the women ministers hundreds of years ago. No one wants to pay attention to that because they want to say it is a recent trend. That isn’t true.”
Note what i actually said. I didn’t say people haven’t rejected male leadership until feminism, i said people using ‘source’ as a definition combined with rejecting male leadership is new. I got that from David Garland’s Exegetical Commentary on 1 Corinthians. He might be wrong, i dunno??? Maybe you can point out to me Cheryl, someone before the rise of feminism who used ‘source’ as the basis of the rejection of male leadership. His evidence shows that even scholars who saw kephale as source, still did not reject male headship.

Dave,

“This does not allow for context, it clearly indicates that you simply think kephale means authority…case closed. In light of this statement I defended Kay by saying that even Prof Grudem had found evidence to show kephale can mean things other than authority.”

My comment was in reaction to people rejecting that kephale can have an authority overtone, not that it is absolute, hence why i said context is the determining factor. Since you have not agreed that it can have an authoritative overtone, can i assume you don’t believe it can?
Also it might surprise you but i have had very little to do with CBMW, in fact ive probably only visited their site a handful of times.

Good night all