Cheryl Schatz

Under your answer to question #7 (which was originally my question #6) I asked:

We have inherited the sin of rebellion through Adam, but there is no place in the bible that states that Eve’s sin was rebellion. She is only ever credited with sinning through deception. You are only giving your opinion that Eve had to be expelled to stop her from eating from the fruit. This is not biblical proof but only your opinion. Do you have any proof?

The Bible doesn’t say that sin corrupted Eve’s nature. If her nature was corrupted, then why did Jesus come through the woman and only the woman? Why was no man allowed to be the father of Jesus?

You answered:

7. Now Eve is a sinner. Paul explains that as a sinner we are dead(eph 2:1) spiritually and physically.

The Bible never calls Eve a “sinner” as if she continued practicing sin. It says that she fell into transgression. If she had a sin nature of rebellion, why does the Bible never say so? Why does her rebellion then never pass on to her children?

Therefore we are in rebellion to God, because death is the punishment for sin.

Eve’s death was the result of eating the poison – the fruit that had no life that was forbidden for her to eat. However never once is she said to have been “in rebellion” to God. If I have missed something please show me a verse that says that she was in rebellion. The sin nature that is passed on from Adam to all of us does not affect Eve. If you believe it does, please show me how Eve could have inherited Adam’s sin nature?

Paul also explains that none seek God, none can understand God and that all have turned away (Rom 3:10ff). Now Cheryl, is Eve included in this?

No. First of all the quote from Romans 3 is taken from the OT where it says that the fool says in his heart there is no God. No fool seeks for God. All of them turn away from God. But there are many God-fearing people who did seek for God and Eve is not one who was said to be a rebellious person against God Himself.

If so how can you continually claim that Eve is not a threat as a sinner and is able to obey God as a sinner without the help of the Spirit.

Show me where Eve is said to be a “sinner”? Where is she said to have a sin nature?

She couldn’t even obey him as sinless, yet you hold that she can as a sinner when we know that sin is complete rebellion to God.

She didn’t obey God because she was deceived. Paul said that even sinners (he includes himself) can sin ignorantly. It is not true that all sin is complete rebellion to God. How do you answer Paul’s argument in 1 Timothy 1:13, 14?

Do you hold to Pelagianism which taught that it was possible to obey God without the help of the Spirit?

God clearly wants us to obey him and He is willing to work on behalf of everyone who will respond to the call of repentance that he provides to everyone.

I respectfully ask you not to make my blog an argument about Calvinism. This is an issue of women in ministry and God’s work in His women through gift thing, empowering them and sending them to be obedient to Him. Any offshoot argument is not appropriate here. I assure you that I am not a heretic or a Pelagian and we can just leave it at that.