Lin

“The only effectual approach, at least IMHO, must be to challenge the original premise.”

I totally agree with this. And we can show historically the traditional premise changed from Post fall to pre fall. Just read the early church fathers some of these CBMW guys love to quote on everything else. Most of them believed in the post fall stance of Patriarchy.

” Were men designed by God to be the leaders of the human race, or were men and women together designed to be the co-leaders of the human race? Moreover, considering the obviously observed differences in men and women, are there gender specific design parameters instilled by God and if so, what are they if not leadership and, I guess, “followership”? These are the questions that must be addressed first. Knock out the foundation, and the whole house of cards crumbles.”

What do physical differences have to do with leadership?

We can start with this question: Is leadership brawn or brains? If it is brawn, then Deborah was a strange choice by God.

What do physical difference have to do with wisdom, spirituality, intellect and obedience to God?

Calling me a femi Nazi for asking these questions or having a different view does not hurt me nearly as much as it hurts them. Spiritually.

I have also learned that it is a waste of time to try and convince those who benefit directly from this false doctrine. It is best to spend our time with folks who are questioning the contradictions they see from the teachers of this doctrine and the apparent contradictions in some interpretations of the Word. (For example: Why is there no prohibition for women teaching men in the OT but there is now in the NT?)

There is also the consideration that the comp world is big business. If the money dries up (how many seminars do folks have to attend that say the same thing different ways before they tire of the formulas and roles?) then most of this stuff will go away.