truthseeker

gengwall, #41, they don’t see it as a sinful consequence (some of them); they see at as God’s remedy for a now-fallen creation, amazing as that may seem. I know this from personal conversations with men who believe this way. Your comment that they practice a fallacy by claiming the role is by design yet base their claim on events rather than biology is very astute.

Kay, very good point that leadership by design and remedy/consequence for fall don’t jibe. And yes, if it is so genetic for males to be leaders and women to follow (by ‘design’), then why don’t all men and women find it easy to do their roles? They would probably claim some type of ‘fallen nature’ clause yet it is this very same ‘fallen nature’ that in their ‘remedy’ theory is supposed to address any ‘fallen nature’ deficits!

Lin, #39, I have actually heard some indeed say that the consequences are not curses or consequences for sin but rather are blessings from God meant to address the problems that occurred in the fall. This blindness to all the logical breakdowns in their thinking is why one doesn’t get far even with good logic when talking with them. Back to praying that ‘blind eyes’ will see.