truthseeker

Kay and Pinklight-outstanding points!!!! The comps I know do not see their ‘authority over’ as unkind to neighbors but rather as obeying God’s command for the sake of order in the church and in the marriage relationship. They would be quick to say they submit to others, also, (like the other plurality of leadership, etc.) and say they have no problem with that. I think they speak genuinely-at least the ones I personally know. They just somehow don’t ‘get it’.

Gwall-liked your comeback to others when they ask who leads in your marriage-‘the Holy Spirit’!!!!!! Love that!!!!! I can already hear the rebuttals from those I know who just can’t grasp the concept of not having leaders: “Yes, the Holy Spirit leads, and then He gives ‘subleadership’ to men.” Somehow, we are such a bunch of truly motley sheep-especially we women-that we need leaders, and sub leaders, and sub sub leaders, ad nauseum. They point to the military and how there is a huge chain of command there for order’s sake. They also point to Moses and the children of Israel and his father-in-law’s advice to appoint leaders over groups of people so Moses wouldn’t have to do all the work. They say all this is needed for the sake of simple logistics-and order. AND, they say women are not allowed to participate in this stack of leadership positions-more or less-depending upon which group one is referring to. And, of course, this is all part of God’s ordained plan for working with fallen mankind, which brings us dangerously close to the whole hush-hush possibility of flawed design.

Flawed design kind of reminds me of how so many stores now try to sell-immediately at point of purchase-an additional warranty for the appliance or whatever. It is almost to me an admittance that the product has a flawed design and will inevitably not hold up somehow to the claim that their product is wonderful.

I agree with the thought I have heard expressed that if the man always leads, he can never fully mature as a person would if he sometimes has to ‘follow’ or work a thing out in mutuality; and likewise, neither can a woman ever truly mature if her growth is always stunted by keeping her in a position of total or even partial submission ultimately. Rotten stuff! Stanks like old fishiz if you aks me. 🙂