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@SimonReye @TWFtrish @ronhenzel @TarienCole Rom 16:2 is clear—Paul is appealing that they help her in whatever matter she requires for “she herself has also been a helper of many.” A leader is someone who oversees volunteers for service projects. T...

@SimonReye @TWFtrish @ronhenzel @TarienCole Rom 16:2 is clear—Paul is appealing that they *help her* in whatever matter she requires for “she herself has also been a helper of many.” A leader is someo

Rom 16:2 general

From tweet to text, our clash began, On female leads, the church's ban. You veered, citing division's role, I argued context, seeking whole. Yet 'context' turned a foggy screen, Your counter, circular and lean. In verses brief, our saga told, A danc...

From tweet to text, our clash began, On female leads, the church's ban. You veered, citing division's role, I argued context, seeking whole. Yet 'context' turned a foggy screen, Your counter, circula

@SimonReye @TWFtrish @ronhenzel @TarienCole The early church still got a few things wrong. It got the Gentiles wrong and needed correction on that several times. In Acts 6, they are just doing what comes natural to them—picking men. You cannot take a...

@SimonReye @TWFtrish @ronhenzel @TarienCole The early church still got a few things wrong. It got the Gentiles wrong and needed correction on that several times. In Acts 6, they are just doing what co

John 10:19 1 Timothy 2:12 question

@ronhenzel Ron, this is disappointing. Do I need to review again? We opened with a tweet that cast female pastors as scripturally silent, citing 1 Timothy 2:12. You jumped in, wielding John 10:19 about division as if truth itself is a sword to spli...

@ronhenzel Ron, this is disappointing. Do I need to review again? We opened with a tweet that cast female pastors as scripturally silent, citing 1 Timothy 2:12. You jumped in, wielding John 10:19 ab

@TarienCole @TWFtrish @SimonReye @ronhenzel That said, it’s not like there was m

@TarienCole @TWFtrish @SimonReye @ronhenzel That said, it’s not like there was many copies that Paul could risk sending it with anyone. He knew He could trust Phoebe and likely discussed the letter wi

@TarienCole @TWFtrish @SimonReye @ronhenzel There’s nothing explicitly in the text telling us that Paul appointed her to take his letter because she could explain it, so perhaps he gave it to her because she was already planning to go to Rome. We don...

@TarienCole @TWFtrish @SimonReye @ronhenzel There’s nothing explicitly in the text telling us that Paul appointed her to take his letter because she could explain it, so perhaps he gave it to her beca

@TarienCole @TWFtrish @ronhenzel @SimonReye I tend to agree that we don’t know whether Phoebe explained the letter to the Romans because it is not explicitly stated. However, the fact that you admit she is a deaconess is intriguing because 1Ti 3:12 s...

@TarienCole @TWFtrish @ronhenzel @SimonReye I tend to agree that we don’t know whether Phoebe explained the letter to the Romans because it is not explicitly stated. However, the fact that you admit s

1Ti 3:12 debate

@CiCi15206 @Jesus23222 Concerning the scriptures and traditions that contradict them: “'Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.' He was also saying to them, 'You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in ord...

@CiCi15206 @Jesus23222 Concerning the scriptures and traditions that contradict them: “'Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.' He was also saying to them, 'You are expe

@Nico_Aurelio_ @LilaGraceRose The sex of the preacher is not an issue for Paul. What is an issue is false teaching and whether the person is mature, sound in the faith and lives according to the faith (is godly). The purpose of Paul writing his lette...

@Nico_Aurelio_ @LilaGraceRose The sex of the preacher is not an issue for Paul. What is an issue is false teaching and whether the person is mature, sound in the faith and lives according to the faith

@DoreenVirtue @lovesickscribe I think men ought to be able to learn from women because the Bible doesn't teach that women are forbidden from teaching men. What is so wrong with men that they cannot learn from half the body of Christ? I appreciate th...

@DoreenVirtue @lovesickscribe I think men ought to be able to learn from women because the Bible doesn't teach that women are forbidden from teaching men. What is so wrong with men that they cannot le

@Guitardo7 @ronhenzel Not related to salvation. He doesn't give only the Jews sa

@Guitardo7 @ronhenzel Not related to salvation. He doesn't give only the Jews saving faith. And it's pretty clear that not all Israel is of Israel to quote Paul.

@Jason93044787 @LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Jason's expert assessment of me: 1. empty 2. prideful 3. foolish 4. worthy of roasting 5. is ignorant of Greek 6. eisegetes texts 7. swallower of 🐪 8. doesn’t read with understanding 9. misrepresents texts 10. f...

@Jason93044787 @LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Jason's expert assessment of me: 1. empty 2. prideful 3. foolish 4. worthy of roasting 5. is ignorant of Greek 6. eisegetes texts 7. swallower of 🐪 8. doesn’t re

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel No person whether male or female is considered one of the 12 foundational Apostles upon which the church is built. Apostles after the 12 were those sent out to plant churches like Barnabas. An elder is just a deacon who serve...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel No person whether male or female is considered one of the 12 foundational Apostles upon which the church is built. Apostles after the 12 were those sent out to plant churches l

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 I show how Belleville’s research showing the opposite to

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 I show how Belleville’s research showing the opposite to Ron’s source. But ultimately, how Paul is using the word is in this context determines what meaning he intends. https://

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Because the church did something doesn’t mean it is a pre

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Because the church did something doesn’t mean it is a prescription. Only Jewish males presided—should we require Jewish male leaders?

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@Shusho1 @Sarah_4561 Yes, scripture interprets scripture. Revelation is one of t

@Shusho1 @Sarah_4561 Yes, scripture interprets scripture. Revelation is one of the hardest to understand if you don’t read and understand all the passages it makes allusions to and quotes.

@Jesus23222 @TruthSeekerrx You haven’t disproven Sola Scriptura, only that there

@Jesus23222 @TruthSeekerrx You haven’t disproven Sola Scriptura, only that there are things implied and not always directly stated in scripture. https://t.co/TJ6PnKSLNe

@PrayTh3Rosary @LilaGraceRose I’m egalitarian but I’m not liberal or modernist.

@PrayTh3Rosary @LilaGraceRose I’m egalitarian but I’m not liberal or modernist. I’m going back to the text. I make no appeals to my authority my friend. Blasphemy, eh? Good thing we don’t do stoning

@Sarah_4561 In context. Most of the problems reading the Bible come from taking

@Sarah_4561 In context. Most of the problems reading the Bible come from taking a verse out of its context.

@PrezdeA @yxm84 @LilaGraceRose I’m contending that it was never God’s intention

@PrezdeA @yxm84 @LilaGraceRose I’m contending that it was never God’s intention for a man to rule over a wife.

@ronhenzel @AsherJacob23060 Why would Paul diverge from his stated purpose of st

@ronhenzel @AsherJacob23060 Why would Paul diverge from his stated purpose of stopping false teaching to also stop true teaching?

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@PrayTh3Rosary @LilaGraceRose The church fathers were not I fallible interpreters of scripture. While we can learn from what they wrote and consider their reasons if they provide them, we have to always point back to scripture as the authority. Unfor...

@PrayTh3Rosary @LilaGraceRose The church fathers were not I fallible interpreters of scripture. While we can learn from what they wrote and consider their reasons if they provide them, we have to alwa

@Jason93044787 @LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel I am the one doing the hard work already i

@Jason93044787 @LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel I am the one doing the hard work already in other threads exegeting scripture.

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel I see many cases of women leading in various capacities in the mission field. They are translating scripture, leading house churches, counselling men and women and generally doing the hard work of discipling and putting th...

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel I see many cases of women leading in various capacities in the mission field. They are translating scripture, leading house churches, counselling men and women and generall

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel Except that relational hierarchy was not Paul’s stat

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel Except that relational hierarchy was not Paul’s stated purpose of the letter nor does putting all women under the control of their husbands curtail false teaching unless th

@ronhenzel @trapatonzi @UGOOTWEETS I agree with you that the genitive of aner is with respect to authentein and not gyne in 1Ti 2:12. Now that I have my facts straight 😅, everything is in order because the context gives us the clues required to under...

@ronhenzel @trapatonzi @UGOOTWEETS I agree with you that the genitive of aner is with respect to authentein and not gyne in 1Ti 2:12. Now that I have my facts straight 😅, everything is in order becaus

1Ti 2:12 commentary

@ronhenzel I'm not in way over my head, but you are correct that my suggestion was a mistake. I appreciate your pointing out that the genitive in this case as the object of authentein (which we know is for sure) cannot then also be applied in a subje...

@ronhenzel I'm not in way over my head, but you are correct that my suggestion was a mistake. I appreciate your pointing out that the genitive in this case as the object of authentein (which we know i

@ronhenzel @_JustWriting @TomBuck @DaveSmith2019 So you disagree with what I sai

@ronhenzel @_JustWriting @TomBuck @DaveSmith2019 So you disagree with what I said? So Paul absolutely couldn't use this wording to refer to a specific couple? "It's not remotely possible," right?

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel What we do is that Paul doesn't use an imperative here and Asher is right to point to Paul's reference to his own direction for this situation. If this were a general command about women not teaching men, there would have ...

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel What we do is that Paul doesn't use an imperative here and Asher is right to point to Paul's reference to his own direction for this situation. If this were a general comma

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel This is a good point⎯Paul doesn't say "the law says"

@AsherJacob23060 @ronhenzel This is a good point⎯Paul doesn't say "the law says" or that sort of thing. I believe it is because Paul is providing backup for young single Timothy as he was about to get

@ronhenzel No, I said it is a specific wife and husband as clarified by the cont

@ronhenzel No, I said it is a specific wife and husband as clarified by the context. So this translation negates it has to do with a generic woman and a generic man.

@ronhenzel Ok, so this is not new information to you? So I will walk through examples where you don't have complementarian blinders on to prove that who it applies to is clear in each case. While it appears you are not ready to walk back your comment...

@ronhenzel Ok, so this is not new information to you? So I will walk through examples where you don't have complementarian blinders on to prove that who it applies to is clear in each case. While it a

1Ti 2:12 1Ti 2:14 1Ti 2:15 debate

@ronhenzel Also, I believe that 1Ti 2:12 is actually properly translated: "But I do not allow a wife to teach or 'authentein' her husband, but to remain quiet." It's about a specific wife (the 'the woman' in 1Ti 2:14 and the 'she' in 1Ti 2:15) and he...

@ronhenzel Also, I believe that 1Ti 2:12 is actually properly translated: "But I do not allow a wife to teach or 'authentein' her husband, but to remain quiet." It's about a specific wife (the 'the wo

@ronhenzel Interesting, Ron, because I know very few egalitarians who agree with

@ronhenzel Interesting, Ron, because I know very few egalitarians who agree with me that this is about a specific woman who was teaching false doctrine in the church at Ephesus. Do you know others? Be

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@baste_goblin That’s correct. God does not create gender hierarchy of authority

@baste_goblin That’s correct. God does not create gender hierarchy of authority in the garden.

@REF0RMEDBAPTIST @ronhenzel An unfortunate gymnastics boo boo, but has nothing to do with my exegesis of 1Ti 3:15. As you may be aware, often in debates, after each person presents, it can appear like the one who just presented is correct. "The fir...

@REF0RMEDBAPTIST @ronhenzel An unfortunate gymnastics boo boo, but has nothing to do with my exegesis of 1Ti 3:15. As you may be aware, often in debates, after each person presents, it can appear like

1Ti 3:15 debate

@ronhenzel @MBurtwrites Right, that certainly doesn't sound like a total guess. In context, Paul knows that the young, single Timothy interjecting to stop this woman from teaching with her husband silently watching could be dicey. Maybe they would d...

@ronhenzel @MBurtwrites Right, that certainly doesn't sound like a total guess. In context, Paul knows that the young, single Timothy interjecting to stop this woman from teaching with her husband si

@endofanepoch @0x49fa98 I see⎯so the history of the church is a perfect represen

@endofanepoch @0x49fa98 I see⎯so the history of the church is a perfect representation of what Jesus intended? I prefer to stick with the Biblical account which even has to correct the earliest of chu

@Jason93044787 @LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel You are certainly free to call me empty, p

@Jason93044787 @LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel You are certainly free to call me empty, prideful, foolish and roast me all you wish and call me ignorant of the Greek (anything else?), but the only way you will

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Glad that you said this! So what then is this authority o

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Glad that you said this! So what then is this authority over the people that elders apparently have that must be restricted to males only?

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Whatever the case, if the teaching is Biblical, then all⎯including the men, including the apostles⎯all must submit. If it unbiblical, then no matter what authority the person thinks they have, you are not required to submit (ie...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Whatever the case, if the teaching is Biblical, then all⎯including the men, including the apostles⎯all must submit. If it unbiblical, then no matter what authority the person th

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Looking at all the details, not only just the original language and grammar, but the details in the context as well is essential to understanding what the author intended by his words. And yes, it should make sense with the res...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Looking at all the details, not only just the original language and grammar, but the details in the context as well is essential to understanding what the author intended by his

@yxm84 @LilaGraceRose Related to the meaning of kephale, the Brill DAG lexicon c

@yxm84 @LilaGraceRose Related to the meaning of kephale, the Brill DAG lexicon contains a mention of source, beginning, origin, top or extremity. Your comment "head never means source" is incorrect. h

@yxm84 @LilaGraceRose Yes, cursed is the ground and the serpent and animals. A

@yxm84 @LilaGraceRose Yes, cursed is the *ground* and the serpent and animals. Adam and Eve are not specifically cursed. Head can mean source or origin, and Paul is using it this way, not as leader.

@ronhenzel @trapatonzi @UGOOTWEETS Don’t be fooled: Ron knows what he isn’t te

@ronhenzel @trapatonzi @UGOOTWEETS Don’t be fooled: Ron knows what he *isn’t* telling you is also true, that Paul *can* use “a woman” to refer to a specific woman. Ron knows that how we tell the diffe

@ronhenzel @_JustWriting @TomBuck @DaveSmith2019 Thanks, Ron. Pay attention to w

@ronhenzel @_JustWriting @TomBuck @DaveSmith2019 Thanks, Ron. Pay attention to what Ron doesn’t want to tell you—that Paul *can* use “a woman” and “the woman” to refer to a specific person. And we wou

@ronhenzel @OrinRomine @ryancduff Ron is just using distraction here as he knows

@ronhenzel @OrinRomine @ryancduff Ron is just using distraction here as he knows that Paul *can* use “a woman” and “the woman” specifically. How we would know this would be by the context 👑. https://t

@ronhenzel @TakTik227f1 @KaitlynSchiess Ron is just distracting from the fact th

@ronhenzel @TakTik227f1 @KaitlynSchiess Ron is just distracting from the fact that he knows that Paul *can* use “a woman” and “the woman” specifically, and we would know by the context. https://t.co/O

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 So it’s not about rotten apples, tigers or pennies—all things Ron uses to distract you from how Paul is using this anarthrous in his personal letter to Timothy. And Ron knows full well that Paul can use it to refer to someo...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 So it’s not about rotten apples, tigers or pennies—all things Ron uses to distract you from how *Paul* is using this anarthrous in his personal letter to Timothy. And Ron knows