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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The process is quite clear, Ron. It doesn't refer to elders though it would be natural for them to be involved. And it isn't controlled by elders, nor the details...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The process is quite clear, Ron. It doesn't refer to elders though it would be natural for them to be involved.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii But contrary to the example you gave, the community is not responsible for dealing with the kidnapper; the police are. Jesus does not mention the elders (unless ...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii But contrary to the example you gave, the community is not responsible for dealing with the kidnapper; the polic

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The idea that it is the elders who mete out disciplinary action for unrepentant believers bypasses the instruction of Jesus in Matt 18 which says it is the 2 or 3...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The idea that it is the elders who mete out disciplinary action for unrepentant believers bypasses the instructi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does scripture say that elders are to rule? Oversight, guidance, serving the body by teaching and preaching, gently correcting and guiding are not ruling. R...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does scripture say that elders are to rule? Oversight, guidance, serving the body by teaching and preachin

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii My goodness. Paul never tells the elders that they are to judge who can take communion. The only exception would be if someone is kicked out of...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii My goodness. Paul never tells the elders that they are to judge who can take communion. The o

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii You are making an assumption. How do you know I was bringing a public allegation against an elder?? I was addressing a refusal of many to partic...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii You are making an assumption. How do you know I was bringing a public allegation against an eld

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I was encouraging people to take communion as this was a pastors conference. I learned later that their local pastors were telling some that they...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I was encouraging people to take communion as this was a pastors conference. I learned later th

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I am. And this is no laughing matter. I was a speaker at a conference in India and during communion, the Spirit compelled me to speak up and say...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I am. And this is no laughing matter. I was a speaker at a conference in India and during comm

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii @copper_teal I have been to one of Hinn’s crusades. He preaches the true gospel and does it very clearly. He did that better than my pastor at my church at the time did. He does it regularly when I have never heard Osteen d...

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii @copper_teal I have been to one of Hinn’s crusades. He preaches the true gospel and does it very clearly. He did that better than my pastor at my church at the time did. He

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, that’s not the option the text gives for the married women (given your view that these are the words of Paul). Why can the single women ask the elders but the married ones have to go home and ask their husbands? ...

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, that’s not the option the text gives for the married women (given your view that these are the words of Paul). Why can the single women ask the elders but the mar

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is a responsibility for the elders, but it is oversight, not control. Raising up those who are able to correctly discern is the desired outcome, not being the one doing everything as a ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is a responsibility for the elders, but it is oversight, not control. Raising up those who are able to correctly discern is the desired

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals The Bereans weren't j

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals The Bereans weren't just the elders, but a characterization of the kind of people they were⎯they tested prophecy which was encouraged by Paul

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is an authority to serve the body by teaching, but it is not a hierarchy of authority over the body, but an authority of service. The elders are at the bottom⎯serving and pouring out th...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is an authority to serve the body by teaching, but it is not a hierarchy of authority over the body, but an authority of service. The e

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, teaching and cor

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, teaching and correcting false doctrine is an important function of the elders. But testing and discerning are meant for all believers, n

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Weighing prophecy is

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Weighing prophecy is not a function solely for the elders. https://t.co/jXLr47xY5c

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But you have to use the language of v35, and that says "if they (the women) desire to learn ANYTHING, let them ask their husbands at home" That is, in your view... ❌Paul doesn't tell them to...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But you have to use the language of v35, and that says "if they (the women) desire to learn ANYTHING, let them ask their husbands at home" T

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals BTW Ron, isn't this interesting... the text says "If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home" (1Co 14:35). So they cannot ask an elder in church as it says "at home." They are also to a...

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals BTW Ron, isn't this interesting... the text says "If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home" (1Co 14:35). So they cannot ask an elder

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Also, you said that women could ask questions in small groups when the whole church is not gathered... but v35 says "if they want to learn" they are supposed to ask their husbands at home, no...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Also, you said that women could ask questions in small groups when the whole church is not gathered... but v35 says "if they want to learn" t

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@smashbaals I don’t reject Paul and believe that women are not forbidden from se

@smashbaals I don’t reject Paul and believe that women are not forbidden from serving as pastors. I guess your chart breaks at the first step. 🤷‍♂️

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron says that they could ask the elders—then why is that not what Paul says? Why are only the women guided to ask the elders and not everyone? Tom, you say that Paul just wants to say that the questions s...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron says that they could ask the elders—then why is that not what Paul says? Why are only the women guided to ask the elders and not everyone? Tom, you sa

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@SKokenos @smashbaals A disciple will eventually be a discipler of others. Whether or not they become full time pastors or not is not the concern. There are no limitations except those based on character and being sound in the faith. Even Moses sai...

@SKokenos @smashbaals A disciple will eventually be a discipler of others. Whether or not they become full time pastors or not is not the concern. There are no limitations except those based on chara

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@smashbaals Then why do you believe that a woman is forbidden from serving as a

@smashbaals Then why do you believe that a woman is forbidden from serving as a pastor?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-26

@freemarketeer1 @DustyMayT @MikeWingerii What is a gross mischaracterization? Women are to be subordinate in the church in that if they feel called to teach (the authoritative scripture) or serve as a pastor, they have to remain subordinate to men (i...

@freemarketeer1 @DustyMayT @MikeWingerii What is a gross mischaracterization? Women are to be subordinate in the church in that if they feel called to teach (the authoritative scripture) or serve as a

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-25

@BlueGiant42 @MikeWingerii Mike is considered by a pastor by many of his audience of nearly 700k on YouTube. He is the most popular level advocate today for complementarian teaching. That in itself is fine—he is allowed to hold his own views on thing...

@BlueGiant42 @MikeWingerii Mike is considered by a pastor by many of his audience of nearly 700k on YouTube. He is the most popular level advocate today for complementarian teaching. That in itself is

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-24

@TheMuppetPastor @ryancduff @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland You don’t evaluate som

@TheMuppetPastor @ryancduff @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland You don’t evaluate something by your experience; you evaluate it by scripture.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-24

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland Where are women forbidden from Se

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland Where are women forbidden from Serving as leaders and pastors?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-24

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @ryancduff @GinaACleveland We were an RCA church

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @ryancduff @GinaACleveland We were an RCA church but left the denomination because RCA didn’t vote down gay marriage.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-24

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @ryancduff @GinaACleveland My church is following

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @ryancduff @GinaACleveland My church is following the Biblical instruction. That instruction doesn’t forbid godly women from teaching truth, leading or pastoral ministry

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-24

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland Are women supposed to submit to n

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland Are women supposed to submit to not taking leadership roles in church? Are women supposed to submit to male only pastors (since there are no female past

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-24

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland The complementarian argument is t

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland The complementarian argument is that because of biological differences, women are to submit to men (not mutually) and are not to hold leadership roles. T

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@RyanMessano Huh? Lukewarm? Because I disagree with you on the basis of scripture itself? A godly women who speaks true doctrine, teaches it or pastors is not in rebellion to God. You cannot make up prohibitions. Prohibiting things that God doesn't p...

@RyanMessano Huh? Lukewarm? Because I disagree with you on the basis of scripture itself? A godly women who speaks true doctrine, teaches it or pastors is not in rebellion to God. You cannot make up p

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Wow, Ron, you think everyone always agrees? So you agree with all complementarians? Mike Winger thinks women can be deacons. About 1Co 14:34-45. Philip Payne thinks these vers...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Wow, Ron, you think everyone always agrees? So you agree with all complementarians? Mike Winger thinks women can be deacons.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@StevenMKestner In order to forbid something, scripture has to be unequivocal. Taken literally, the requirement is married with more than one child. Even Paul and Timothy don’t meet this…even Jesus couldn’t be an elder in His own church! The require...

@StevenMKestner In order to forbid something, scripture has to be unequivocal. Taken literally, the requirement is married with more than one child. Even Paul and Timothy don’t meet this…even Jesus co

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@Torncurtainorg @ScottCross_8 @JollyStine @DustyMayT @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii In addition to Scott's question, my question is why the physical aspect of protection has anything to do with leadership in church. Women have the instinc...

@Torncurtainorg @ScottCross_8 @JollyStine @DustyMayT @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii In addition to Scott's question, my question is why the physical aspect of protection has anything to do

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@Torncurtainorg @DustyMayT @Crystalisives @JollyStine @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii My former church went to this as the last stage before becoming egalitarian. The trigger was when the senior pastor left and the associate, a female, wanted to be consi...

@Torncurtainorg @DustyMayT @Crystalisives @JollyStine @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii My former church went to this as the last stage before becoming egalitarian. The trigger was when the senior pastor le

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@corefaithbishop @johnmarkallen @MikeWingerii You are a great complementarian. K

@corefaithbishop @johnmarkallen @MikeWingerii You are a great complementarian. Keep it up! The Christ/church picture demonstrates mutual submission, not one person with the trump card over the other.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@Torncurtainorg @DustyMayT @JollyStine @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii Now you are saying senior leadership. That’s a nice change. My previous church did this too. It takes complementarians time to catch up and many believe that as long as...

@Torncurtainorg @DustyMayT @JollyStine @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii Now you are saying senior leadership. That’s a nice change. My previous church did this too. It takes complementarians

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@GlennDavies @SwordMasterPub So you demonstrated that there are males who appear to be elders like Titus, Timothy and James, but we don’t have a letter written to or about a woman? What about 2John 1,5 (elect lady) and vs 13 (chosen sister)? Also, w...

@GlennDavies @SwordMasterPub So you demonstrated that there are males who appear to be elders like Titus, Timothy and James, but we don’t have a letter written to or about a woman? What about 2John 1

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@FraudDMartin Not everyone thinks this way. I’m not even sure Smash does…he seem

@FraudDMartin Not everyone thinks this way. I’m not even sure Smash does…he seems to generate click bait posts. His concern is that woman should not be pastors as he thinks the Bible forbids them. Bu

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@JoeAdrian256 Right, Mike says that women are not allowed to “teach authoritativ

@JoeAdrian256 Right, Mike says that women are not allowed to “teach authoritatively” (whatever that means), nor occupy the role of an elder, nor do anything to make it appear that they are acting in t

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@JoeAdrian256 I stand by the scriptures too. No need to twist anything. I love Paul’s writings…but it’s important to know what he actually means. 1Ti 2 doesn’t forbid women from teaching or pastoral roles. It is referring to “a woman” which v14 spec...

@JoeAdrian256 I stand by the scriptures too. No need to twist anything. I love Paul’s writings…but it’s important to know what he actually means. 1Ti 2 doesn’t forbid women from teaching or pastoral

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@Here4Now0829 @smashbaals @bornagainbrett I see. It may be that there are no wom

@Here4Now0829 @smashbaals @bornagainbrett I see. It may be that there are no women prophets or gifted to teach in your entire church, but do they forbid women from teaching, reading scripture, prophes

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@aMalacandra That’s certainly how it can feel though most seem to say that women

@aMalacandra That’s certainly how it can feel though most seem to say that women should learn. They are just stuck on the whole pastor thing.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@SwordMasterPub @Trish_NI Where is “exerting authority over” someone stated in a

@SwordMasterPub @Trish_NI Where is “exerting authority over” someone stated in a positive way for anyone? Does you pastor exert authority over you on Sunday morning? What, by simply reading the Bible

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@MatneyWoodard Attacking women serving as pastors and calling them in sin is doi

@MatneyWoodard Attacking women serving as pastors and calling them in sin is doing exactly as you describe.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@SwordMasterPub It shows that an apostle can also be an elder/overseer/pastor.

@SwordMasterPub It shows that an apostle can also be an elder/overseer/pastor. Only Peter and John self identify as elders. Are there only two elders in the New Testament?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@SwordMasterPub You have to refer to the Greek not the English. If Peter could

@SwordMasterPub You have to refer to the Greek not the English. If Peter could be an elder (1 Pe 5:1) then Paul certainly can. Paul functioned as an overseer of multiple churches.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@Whitehorse1255 @CherylSchatz @MikeWingerii @soothkeep @JoelFKorytko @The_Idol_Killer @ProvisionistP @HwsEleutheroi @Soteriology101 @1984_nate My contention is that when we get to the original meaning that Paul had, we don't see that this passage for...

@Whitehorse1255 @CherylSchatz @MikeWingerii @soothkeep @JoelFKorytko @The_Idol_Killer @ProvisionistP @HwsEleutheroi @Soteriology101 @1984_nate My contention is that when we get to the original meaning

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@GlennDavies @SwordMasterPub Yes, I know you don't want to debate. I must have really upset you somehow that you had to correct me. I appreciate you jumping back in⎯even for a moment or two. Where does the text say that "Paul...appointed male elders...

@GlennDavies @SwordMasterPub Yes, I know you don't want to debate. I must have really upset you somehow that you had to correct me. I appreciate you jumping back in⎯even for a moment or two. Where do

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-18

@SwordMasterPub @StevenMKestner Wow, you are the first that I have seen who says

@SwordMasterPub @StevenMKestner Wow, you are the first that I have seen who says Paul is disqualified as an overseer despite the fact he is clearly doing the work of one.

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