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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-15

@PaineInTheNeck @foxes_on_fire @AmReformer I agree that defying explicit instruction in scripture is a sin and is important. But these verses (1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15) are not clear in silencing all women. You need to hear out others who inte...

@PaineInTheNeck @foxes_on_fire @AmReformer I agree that defying explicit instruction in scripture is a sin and is important. But these verses (1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15) are not clear in silencin

1 Cor 14:34-35 1 Tim 2:11-15 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-15

@Mark_MCRider @TomBuck Don't forget that 1 Cor 7:1 starts with "Now for the thin

@Mark_MCRider @TomBuck Don't forget that 1 Cor 7:1 starts with "Now for the things you wrote..." There are no quotes in the Greek manuscripts, so you have to infer them by the context.

1 Cor 7:1 commentary

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-15

@ball_dummy @zechariah1680 @thebereanmillen What explicit instruction says "An elder must not be a woman"? In 1 Tim 3 you have "one wife husband" but this is simply monogamous. Paul wasn't married and surely he met his own requirements. Then later...

@ball_dummy @zechariah1680 @thebereanmillen What explicit instruction says "An elder must not be a woman"? In 1 Tim 3 you have "one wife husband" but this is simply monogamous. Paul wasn't married a

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-15

@Mark_MCRider @TomBuck What? Women cannot speak in the assembly? What? Their voices are shameful, dirty and filthy? If you don't recognize that the things I commanded (everything else in the chapter) are God's command, then you should be ignored!...

@Mark_MCRider @TomBuck What? Women cannot speak in the assembly? What? Their voices are shameful, dirty and filthy? If you don't recognize that the things I commanded (everything else in the chapt

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-15

@Mark_MCRider @TomBuck Yeah, he summed it up by saying: "What? came the word of

@Mark_MCRider @TomBuck Yeah, he summed it up by saying: "What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?" (KJV) ⎯ notice the "What?" This is a contrastive. Paul is refuting the q

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-15

@ball_dummy @zechariah1680 @thebereanmillen The question was why would you have

@ball_dummy @zechariah1680 @thebereanmillen The question was why would you have a husband wife pastor team. P and A were leaders of some kind⎯there's a lot of things we don't get told explicitly abou

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-15

@DanielFarey @MattSwiftyPerry 4/ Don't assume because someone has a different Bi

@DanielFarey @MattSwiftyPerry 4/ Don't assume because someone has a different Biblically substantiated view of a Biblical passage that they are ignoring scripture.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-15

@DanielFarey @MattSwiftyPerry 3/ And because he had this experience, God expected him to help Eve understand the deception and protect her. The 'she' in v15 is an anaphoric reference back to 'a woman' because Eve cannot be saved future tense. The '...

@DanielFarey @MattSwiftyPerry 3/ And because he had this experience, God expected him to help Eve understand the deception and protect her. The 'she' in v15 is an anaphoric reference back to 'a woman

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-15

@DanielFarey @MattSwiftyPerry 2/ In this case, there was an ignorant woman teaching 'a woman' whose husband, just like Adam, knew better but was silent. The example of Adam and Eve illustrates how because of Adam's first creation, he had experience ...

@DanielFarey @MattSwiftyPerry 2/ In this case, there was an ignorant woman teaching 'a woman' whose husband, just like Adam, knew better but was silent. The example of Adam and Eve illustrates how be

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-15

@DanielFarey @MattSwiftyPerry 1/ And you shouldn't rely on passages that you don

@DanielFarey @MattSwiftyPerry 1/ And you shouldn't rely on passages that you don't fully understand. In this personal letter from Paul to Timothy, he admonishes him to remain to stop false teachers (

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-15

@lisanicolegaron @OliveGarden5505 @RickWarren The reason why many focus on 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Cor 11:1-16, 1 Tim 2:11-15, 1 Tim 3 and Titus 1, Gen 2-3, etc is because they seem to speak to the issue of women in leadership. I believe however, that if ...

@lisanicolegaron @OliveGarden5505 @RickWarren The reason why many focus on 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Cor 11:1-16, 1 Tim 2:11-15, 1 Tim 3 and Titus 1, Gen 2-3, etc is because they seem to speak to the issue of

1 Cor 11:1-16 1 Cor 14:34-35 1 Tim 2:11-15 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-15

@SchizoScout @adamwm89 So when the scripture says that in the church we are a ki

@SchizoScout @adamwm89 So when the scripture says that in the church we are a kingdom of priests, that refers only to the men?? Those passages are debated on very good Biblical grounds and if they ar

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@zechariah1680 @thebereanmillen Because both may have qualifications and calling

@zechariah1680 @thebereanmillen Because both may have qualifications and calling and they complement each other. Plus a female needing counselling doesn’t have to be alone with a male pastor, etc. R

@PaineInTheNeck @foxes_on_fire @AmReformer I agree that defying explicit instruction in scripture is a sin and is important. But these verses (1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15) are not clear in silencing all women. You need to hear out others who inte...

@Mark_MCRider @TomBuck Don't forget that 1 Cor 7:1 starts with "Now for the thin

@ball_dummy @zechariah1680 @thebereanmillen What explicit instruction says "An elder must not be a woman"? In 1 Tim 3 you have "one wife husband" but this is simply monogamous. Paul wasn't married and surely he met his own requirements. Then later...

@Mark_MCRider @TomBuck What? Women cannot speak in the assembly? What? Their voices are shameful, dirty and filthy? If you don't recognize that the things I commanded (everything else in the chapter) are God's command, then you should be ignored!...

@Mark_MCRider @TomBuck Yeah, he summed it up by saying: "What? came the word of

@ball_dummy @zechariah1680 @thebereanmillen The question was why would you have

@DanielFarey @MattSwiftyPerry 4/ Don't assume because someone has a different Bi

@DanielFarey @MattSwiftyPerry 3/ And because he had this experience, God expected him to help Eve understand the deception and protect her. The 'she' in v15 is an anaphoric reference back to 'a woman' because Eve cannot be saved future tense. The '...

@DanielFarey @MattSwiftyPerry 2/ In this case, there was an ignorant woman teaching 'a woman' whose husband, just like Adam, knew better but was silent. The example of Adam and Eve illustrates how because of Adam's first creation, he had experience ...

@DanielFarey @MattSwiftyPerry 1/ And you shouldn't rely on passages that you don

@lisanicolegaron @OliveGarden5505 @RickWarren The reason why many focus on 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Cor 11:1-16, 1 Tim 2:11-15, 1 Tim 3 and Titus 1, Gen 2-3, etc is because they seem to speak to the issue of women in leadership. I believe however, that if ...

@SchizoScout @adamwm89 So when the scripture says that in the church we are a ki

@zechariah1680 @thebereanmillen Because both may have qualifications and calling

@Tomasdearc @Moralco61898803 @William_E_Wolfe @RickWarren 1 Tim 2:12 is plainly

@Tomasdearc @Moralco61898803 @William_E_Wolfe @RickWarren So you are 100% certain you are correct? No chance you are mistaken? Even though 1 Tim 2:11-15 is highly debated and 1 Tim 3 and Titus 1 don’t say “must not be a woman”? So its rebellion an...

@Tomasdearc @Moralco61898803 @William_E_Wolfe @RickWarren So let me see if I get this straight….Jesus wants His body to be divided by gender? And someone who reads his Bible and is convinced that women in his local church can be pastors is unfriendl...

@Tomasdearc @Moralco61898803 @William_E_Wolfe @RickWarren Yes Jesus made His preferences known and yes He spoke through Paul. Jesus said His church is a kingdom of priests, that men, women and children would prophesy. That the dividing wall between ...

@Tomasdearc @Moralco61898803 @William_E_Wolfe @RickWarren So the SBC isn’t Jesus

@foxes_on_fire @AmReformer Right. But the point is that the gender of the word

@foxes_on_fire @AmReformer Yet again, have you looked at 1 Tim 3? If τις (anyone/someone) aspires to the office of ἐπισκοπῆς (overseer, feminine). Then we get a list of requirements followed by "women likewise". μιᾶς γυναικὸς ἄνδρα means monogamou...

@foxes_on_fire @AmReformer Primary are things that divide the true church from c

@TomBuck But if you are going to make this about scripture, then at least preven

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris I’m not trying to base my doctrine on this m

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris We are not taking 100% proof here, we are looking for answers that link together ALL the evidence and the idea that there's a specific woman in the church at Ephesus which both Paul and Timothy know about fits all ...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris The Bible never says "Cursed are you Eve..." We could also see God as increasing her rate of conception (and therefore pain) because she is going to die and needs to populate the earth. I'm not sure the text clai...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris A typical waitress will be saved (from her s

@William_E_Wolfe @RickWarren Correction.... "egalitarian churches" to be disfellowshipped. No matter what you think of Rick Warren, this decision means if you believe women can be pastors, you will not be tolerated in the SBC. Sad as its a secondar...

@revjeffvox @thatbrian Jeff, you are the pastor that worked with me to help prev

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris There are translations that say "women will

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris Tom, it's the Greek that needs to be explain

@RdHdSteppeson @mcadoojr @LucaBeth_Writer @RickWarren Where is that listed in an

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris But it doesn’t work because Paul uses both t

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris What is a generic woman? Are you saying Pau

@anahnemoo Sorry what is the evidence he is a false teacher?

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris Tom, the key is that it takes into considera

@AntiochBaptist_ @kimslearning @Christocentrism Never build a doctrine on such a

@William_E_Wolfe @RickWarren But this document isn’t the Bible!!!

@William_E_Wolfe The #SBC should have never put male only pastors as a restricti

@rthomas86 @DannySlavich Calling someone in sin for something that isn’t sin see

@ymmotrojam @brmorris @CherylSchatz But if the apex of creation is last one created, that would mean the woman is the apex. I think we have to stick with what Paul relates. The creation order has something to do with deception. And we all know bot...

@lisanicolegaron @OliveGarden5505 @RickWarren 1/ I’m not ordained. 2/ I’ve atte

@ymmotrojam @brmorris @CherylSchatz The questions to be answered are: 1/ what does the creation order have to do with deception, and 2/ are there any authority of the man over the woman conveyed by those present (God, Adam, Eve, the Serpent). No one...

@ymmotrojam @brmorris @CherylSchatz Indeed, these are both referring to the creation order. In the video where I deal with 1 Tim 2, I visit Genesis 1-3. If authority or roles are by creation order, then the animals would be over the man. The man w...

@ymmotrojam @brmorris @CherylSchatz Unheard of. So Paul has to stop these Judai

@ymmotrojam @brmorris @CherylSchatz There were too much tongues so some Judaizers came in and tried to fix things by saying “women shouldn’t speak”. To them, having come from a Jewish context it would have been you heard of to have women speak. Paul...

@ymmotrojam @brmorris @CherylSchatz Why just women? Do only women want to speak

@ymmotrojam @brmorris @CherylSchatz If the latter then why follow this up with “do not forbid”? Since Paul says he is responding to their letter you need to argue why this is not a response to their letter. Judaism has this restriction in the Talmu...

@ymmotrojam @brmorris @CherylSchatz How do you explain the contrastives in v36?

@ymmotrojam @brmorris @CherylSchatz There’s no quotation marks so all quotes are inferred but Paul says in 1 Cor 7:1 “Now about the matters you wrote” so we know he is addressing things from their letter. I gave the illustration of an intersection w...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris 2/ But since He gave it up it had to be give

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