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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

What did Paul mean by "Therefore the woman should have authority on her head bec

What did Paul mean by "Therefore the woman should have authority on her head because of the angels" (1Co 11:10)?

1Co 11:10 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@carmony_bryce Huh? There's a lot of protestant churches that forbid women from

@carmony_bryce Huh? There's a lot of protestant churches that forbid women from any leadership roles... just so you are aware.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@Torncurtainorg @DustyMayT @JollyStine @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii Now you are saying senior leadership. That’s a nice change. My previous church did this too. It takes complementarians time to catch up and many believe that as long as...

@Torncurtainorg @DustyMayT @JollyStine @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii Now you are saying senior leadership. That’s a nice change. My previous church did this too. It takes complementarians

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@rr74cm @JollyStine @MikeWingerii “A symbol of” is inserted in the English becau

@rr74cm @JollyStine @MikeWingerii “A symbol of” is inserted in the English because the translators are just as puzzled as you are. They shouldn’t have done that as it’s misleading. She should have au

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@TarienCole @JollyStine @MikeWingerii A woman who had an unbelieving husband was to have the authority over *her own* head to decide whether to wear a covering or not. The reason was because she has two heads, Christ and her husband, and Paul—by comm...

@TarienCole @JollyStine @MikeWingerii A woman who had an unbelieving husband was to have the authority over *her own* head to decide whether to wear a covering or not. The reason was because she has t

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@OrthodoxBarbie This interpretation seems contingent on “domineering and pressuring” being the translation for authentein. So Paul had to use a super rare word to convey this kind of “lording it over” type of authority? Isn’t there a common term for...

@OrthodoxBarbie This interpretation seems contingent on “domineering and pressuring” being the translation for authentein. So Paul had to use a super rare word to convey this kind of “lording it over

1Ti 3:2 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@SwordMasterPub @Trish_NI Leadership roles are roles of submitting to serve the

@SwordMasterPub @Trish_NI Leadership roles are roles of submitting to serve the needs of others by helping them mature in Christ. They are not "lording over" roles. And, BTW, the function of episkopē

1Ti 3:1 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@SwordMasterPub @johnmarkallen Ok Mr authority.

@SwordMasterPub @johnmarkallen Ok Mr authority.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@SwordMasterPub @Trish_NI Where is “exerting authority over” someone stated in a

@SwordMasterPub @Trish_NI Where is “exerting authority over” someone stated in a positive way for anyone? Does you pastor exert authority over you on Sunday morning? What, by simply reading the Bible

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@Whitehorse1255 @CherylSchatz @MikeWingerii @soothkeep @JoelFKorytko @The_Idol_Killer @ProvisionistP @HwsEleutheroi @Soteriology101 @1984_nate My contention is that when we get to the original meaning that Paul had, we don't see that this passage for...

@Whitehorse1255 @CherylSchatz @MikeWingerii @soothkeep @JoelFKorytko @The_Idol_Killer @ProvisionistP @HwsEleutheroi @Soteriology101 @1984_nate My contention is that when we get to the original meaning

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-18

@peace_got @nsraban Deborah was no less than Samuel. She was clearly the highest

@peace_got @nsraban Deborah was no less than Samuel. She was clearly the highest authority in the land. Her authority applied in all areas as she was God’s representative. How in the world does Debor

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-18

@johnmarkallen @MikeWingerii You are correct that either can and have worked out. My question has to do with the fact that giving the husband a mandate to have authority over his wife creates the fertile ground for abuse. It’s probably why successfu...

@johnmarkallen @MikeWingerii You are correct that either can and have worked out. My question has to do with the fact that giving the husband a mandate to have authority over his wife creates the fert

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-18

@Robert_S_Morley @MargMowczko @peace_got @AlistairRobert7 @JollyStine @pastherandie @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii This assumes that authentein is the normal word for authority. Why would Paul use such a rare word for this when commonly und...

@Robert_S_Morley @MargMowczko @peace_got @AlistairRobert7 @JollyStine @pastherandie @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii This assumes that authentein is the normal word for authority. Why would Pa

1T 2:2 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-18

@ronhenzel Your translation of authentein as “having authority” begs the question why Paul used an extremely rare word to convey this idea. This needs an explanation. You also missed that Paul is speaking about a specific woman because of the articl...

@ronhenzel Your translation of authentein as “having authority” begs the question why Paul used an extremely rare word to convey this idea. This needs an explanation. You also missed that Paul is spe

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@narrow_road_2 @Crystalisives @MikeWingerii Responsibility often comes with knowledge, ability, experience or maturity. “John answered and said, ‘A man can receive nothing, unless it has been given him from heaven.’” (Jn 3:27) Later, Jesus said to ...

@narrow_road_2 @Crystalisives @MikeWingerii Responsibility often comes with knowledge, ability, experience or maturity. “John answered and said, ‘A man can receive nothing, unless it has been given h

Jn 3:27 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@SolaChristus7 @johnmarkallen @haymes_joshua "ALL Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man or woman of God may be fully capable, equipped for every good work...

@SolaChristus7 @johnmarkallen @haymes_joshua "ALL Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man or woman of God

2Ti 3:16-17 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@ThomasPurell @sailemptyskies @JollyStine @pastherandie @MikeWingerii Nope. Noth

@ThomasPurell @sailemptyskies @JollyStine @pastherandie @MikeWingerii Nope. Nothing in scripture is being rejected. If you think male only leaders is orthodox then you have already clearly strayed fro

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@ThomasPurell @sailemptyskies @andrewjritchie @MikeWingerii No. The church only has one head, that is Christ. The Waldensiens had female leaders and they were pre-Luther. But that doesn’t matter because you are making this a game about majority vote ...

@ThomasPurell @sailemptyskies @andrewjritchie @MikeWingerii No. The church only has one head, that is Christ. The Waldensiens had female leaders and they were pre-Luther. But that doesn’t matter becau

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@amoree @MikeWingerii No, that would be very unwise of me. Of course I have much

@amoree @MikeWingerii No, that would be very unwise of me. Of course I have much Biblically faithful reasons why I disagree with his view that God ordains Gender-based authority hierarchy. You can sta

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@peace_got @MargMowczko @AlistairRobert7 @JollyStine @pastherandie @Robert_S_Mor

@peace_got @MargMowczko @AlistairRobert7 @JollyStine @pastherandie @Robert_S_Morley @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii There is no such prohibition. Paul never used the normal word for authority

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@haymes_joshua @Blogsbloke Egalitarians don’t believe that the husband is not th

@haymes_joshua @Blogsbloke Egalitarians don’t believe that the husband is not the “head” of their wife. We understand kephale means source, not authority over. See the LSJ lexical entry 👇 https://t.co

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@SolaChristus7 @haymes_joshua Please show me where you see authority hiearchy in Gen 1-2. There is no evidence in the text for it; each person (God, Adam, Eve and the Serpent) don't seem to act like Adam is the authority over Eve. God commands both t...

@SolaChristus7 @haymes_joshua Please show me where you see authority hiearchy in Gen 1-2. There is no evidence in the text for it; each person (God, Adam, Eve and the Serpent) don't seem to act like A

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@narrow_road_2 @Crystalisives @MikeWingerii It’s not about whether you can make it work but about what the Bible teaches. There is absolutely no hint of a hierarchy of authority in Gen 1-2 between the man and the woman. No one in the text appears to...

@narrow_road_2 @Crystalisives @MikeWingerii It’s not about whether you can make it work but about what the Bible teaches. There is absolutely no hint of a hierarchy of authority in Gen 1-2 between th

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@SolaChristus7 @haymes_joshua Male headship has to do with Adam as the origin of

@SolaChristus7 @haymes_joshua Male headship has to do with Adam as the origin of Eve because she was made from him. This has nothing to do with authority.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@haymes_joshua For me this has nothing to do with culture and everything to do w

@haymes_joshua For me this has nothing to do with culture and everything to do with a careful reading of the intent of scripture. I’m not a progressive. Only women can give birth and men are built mo

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@peace_got @Robert_S_Morley @AlistairRobert7 @JollyStine @pastherandie @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii When anyone at that time diverges from the generally accepted view of male authority it should be carefully noted. Cyril’s co...

@peace_got @Robert_S_Morley @AlistairRobert7 @JollyStine @pastherandie @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii When anyone at that time diverges from the generally accepted view of male

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

You'd expect Mike, as a complementarian, to prefer the father giving her away, r

You'd expect Mike, as a complementarian, to prefer the father giving her away, reflecting the father's authority. Surprisingly, he supports both parents giving her away, aiming not to treat the woman

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@ThomasPurell @sailemptyskies @andrewjritchie @MikeWingerii If you think that egalitarians are saying that men are supposed to have babies, then no wonder you reject it. It’s a straw man. We believe men and women are complementary too, and they comp...

@ThomasPurell @sailemptyskies @andrewjritchie @MikeWingerii If you think that egalitarians are saying that men are supposed to have babies, then no wonder you reject it. It’s a straw man. We believe

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-15

@plumlee_ann @avyargo @MikeWingerii I'm not sure what your definition of leading

@plumlee_ann @avyargo @MikeWingerii I'm not sure what your definition of leading is, but leading is simply doing things ahead of others, showing by example. This is not about authority.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-15

@avyargo @plumlee_ann @MikeWingerii The Bible doesn't tell anyone to "hold authority." Women are certainly told to teach and shown to teach others. No one is called pastor in the New Testament except Jesus Himself. Anyone who forbids women from full...

@avyargo @plumlee_ann @MikeWingerii The Bible doesn't tell anyone to "hold authority." Women are certainly told to teach and shown to teach others. No one is called pastor in the New Testament except

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-15

@jhkrantz @pastherandie @ronhenzel @Christ_like_ish @JollyStine @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Paul is establishing order. The way church is done today is nothing like what Paul describes in 1Ti 3. Today it is all about position and authority; ...

@jhkrantz @pastherandie @ronhenzel @Christ_like_ish @JollyStine @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Paul is establishing order. The way church is done today is nothing like what Paul describes in 1Ti

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-15

@jhkrantz @pastherandie @ronhenzel @Christ_like_ish @JollyStine @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Paul gives the proper order for dealing with false doctrine. A properly functioning leadership will curb false teaching by gently dealing with it. As...

@jhkrantz @pastherandie @ronhenzel @Christ_like_ish @JollyStine @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Paul gives the proper order for dealing with false doctrine. A properly functioning leadership will

1Ti 3:15 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-15

@mythreesonsb @EtAbundatGratia @MikeWingerii So men are never usurping authority? Also where is this idea of a place of authority in the church even established that merely standing in it usurps it? All of this seems to be based on a conjectural int...

@mythreesonsb @EtAbundatGratia @MikeWingerii So men are never usurping authority? Also where is this idea of a place of authority in the church even established that merely standing in it usurps it?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-15

@avyargo @MikeWingerii It’s not about not liking it. You are misreading these passages thinking they prohibit godly women who are gifted by God from fulfilling His calling for them. To restrict them is quenching the Holy Spirit. God does not implemen...

@avyargo @MikeWingerii It’s not about not liking it. You are misreading these passages thinking they prohibit godly women who are gifted by God from fulfilling His calling for them. To restrict them i

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-15

@peace_got @iheartJ37 @JollyStine @pastherandie @Robert_S_Morley @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii But the priesthood is not the highest authority in the theocracy. It was leaders like Moses. Deborah was like the Moses of her time...

@peace_got @iheartJ37 @JollyStine @pastherandie @Robert_S_Morley @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii But the priesthood is not the highest authority in the theocracy. It was leaders

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-15

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii Whoops... haha. Sorry, read too fast. 1Ti 2:12 doesn't say "must not be a woman" but "I do not permit a woman to teach or authentein a man." Paul doesn't mean a woman cannot teach truth to a man as a Bere...

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii Whoops... haha. Sorry, read too fast. 1Ti 2:12 doesn't say "must not be a woman" but "I do not permit a woman to teach or authentein a man." Paul doesn't

1Ti 2:12 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-15

@RBM7211 @MikeWingerii @TerranWilliams4 Just read the article. There's no authority to appeal to. But Mike won't listen to a nobody like me. He seems to only want to consider those who are published. Well, here's two published authors who carefully a...

@RBM7211 @MikeWingerii @TerranWilliams4 Just read the article. There's no authority to appeal to. But Mike won't listen to a nobody like me. He seems to only want to consider those who are published.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-15

@IceBucketsIBCM I'm not resisting God's word, though I do disagree with the complementarian version which has women being prohibited from places of leadership or "authoritative teaching" (whatever exactly that is...I think Mike thinks this is the tea...

@IceBucketsIBCM I'm not resisting God's word, though I do disagree with the complementarian version which has women being prohibited from places of leadership or "authoritative teaching" (whatever exa

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-14

@MikedAlamo @HannahJasmine13 @MikeWingerii Right, it’s your church. But I’m a man and I’m asking what you would restrict me from in your church given I believe the scripture is egalitarian in the involvement of women in leadership. I can live at peac...

@MikedAlamo @HannahJasmine13 @MikeWingerii Right, it’s your church. But I’m a man and I’m asking what you would restrict me from in your church given I believe the scripture is egalitarian in the invo

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-14

@MikedAlamo @MikeWingerii The WCF says nothing about women and leadership. I’d be willing to live at peace within the context of a complementarian church as I have for many years (which means I may share my views on certain passages but not in a divi...

@MikedAlamo @MikeWingerii The WCF says nothing about women and leadership. I’d be willing to live at peace within the context of a complementarian church as I have for many years (which means I may sh

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-14

@peace_got @Robert_S_Morley @JollyStine @MargMowczko @pastherandie @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii Actually, authority to lead and teach comes directly from Jesus and is given to all in Matt 28:18-20. Leaders in the church must have characte...

@peace_got @Robert_S_Morley @JollyStine @MargMowczko @pastherandie @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii Actually, authority to lead and teach comes directly from Jesus and is given to all in Matt

Matt 28:18-20 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-14

@ncksmith @Crystalisives @MikeWingerii Mike sees male-only leadership as simply a matter of ordained order. He learns from women theologians, behaves in an egalitarian manner towards decision making with his wife, and is generally wanting women to pa...

@ncksmith @Crystalisives @MikeWingerii Mike sees male-only leadership as simply a matter of ordained order. He learns from women theologians, behaves in an egalitarian manner towards decision making w

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-14

@JonKismetCalvin @peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii Mike still listens to women which is great. He just thinks that God wants there to be an authority ranking between male and female and only males...

@JonKismetCalvin @peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii Mike still listens to women which is great. He just thinks that God wants there to be an author

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-14

@peace_got @pastherandie @bezalelplace @MikeWingerii Ok, now I'm curious. I'd really like to understand your position. So only men can be pastors and leaders, so their is a hierarchy between leaders and congregants, right? Then only leaders can exer...

@peace_got @pastherandie @bezalelplace @MikeWingerii Ok, now I'm curious. I'd really like to understand your position. So only men can be pastors and leaders, so their is a hierarchy between leaders a

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-14

@pastherandie @peace_got @bezalelplace @MikeWingerii As I was looking for another church, I asked the pastor if he was ok with someone who is egalitarian. Would he allow me to lead in some capacity or would I never lead anything. He said the latter, ...

@pastherandie @peace_got @bezalelplace @MikeWingerii As I was looking for another church, I asked the pastor if he was ok with someone who is egalitarian. Would he allow me to lead in some capacity or

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-14

@peace_got @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @MikeWingerii Not true. My last church had a mix of comp and egal. They only allowed men as lead pastor. I didn't agree with it, but tolerated it as a secondary issue. Egal is NOT the central issue. If it bothered m...

@peace_got @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @MikeWingerii Not true. My last church had a mix of comp and egal. They only allowed men as lead pastor. I didn't agree with it, but tolerated it as a secondary issue

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-14

@peace_got @pastherandie @bezalelplace @MikeWingerii We also have a plurality of

@peace_got @pastherandie @bezalelplace @MikeWingerii We also have a plurality of elders who are all at the same level serving UNDERNEATH the body. They subject themselves and their desires to serve th

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-14

@peace_got @pastherandie @bezalelplace @MikeWingerii You don't believe in hierar

@peace_got @pastherandie @bezalelplace @MikeWingerii You don't believe in hierarchical authority? I thought you believed only men have authority in the church and only men can be leaders. Did I read

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-13

@peace_got @pastherandie @bezalelplace @MikeWingerii Egalitarians don't believe

@peace_got @pastherandie @bezalelplace @MikeWingerii Egalitarians don't believe the Biblical model is hierarchical authority. You can't presume your model on us.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-13

@peace_got @JollyStine @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @MikeWingerii You can't just keep restating like a dog with a bone. There is no imperative in there, Paul doesn't use the usual word for authority⎯in fact, its a word only used about 8 times in antiquity ...

@peace_got @JollyStine @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @MikeWingerii You can't just keep restating like a dog with a bone. There is no imperative in there, Paul doesn't use the usual word for authority⎯in fact

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