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@MikeWingerii Mike, I didn’t say that you don’t support female deacons, but I ca

@MikeWingerii Mike, I didn’t say that you don’t support female deacons, but I can see how you might have got this from my comment. https://t.co/IdHPLHUmcY

@MikeWingerii @th3muse I was looking at my post to try to figure out how you thought I was suggesting you believed that women couldn’t be deacons. I think I see what happened. @th3muse was concerned how complementarians do not support deacons. She us...

@MikeWingerii @th3muse I was looking at my post to try to figure out how you thought I was suggesting you believed that women couldn’t be deacons. I think I see what happened. @th3muse was concerned h

@j0rdanistyping @MikeWingerii Sorry, how did I misrepresent Mike and yourself on deaconesses? What did I say that was wrong? So your only option for me to be “consistent” is to be silent? I’m asking Mike to retract his call to repent and his divisi...

@j0rdanistyping @MikeWingerii Sorry, how did I misrepresent Mike and yourself on deaconesses? What did I say that was wrong? So your only option for me to be “consistent” is to be silent? I’m asking

@lunarCelerity @MikeWingerii Yes. The tendency is to look at clear scriptures which seem to include women even at the highest levels having authority over men, teaching men, etc., but then a few passages later which seem to contradict or have some de...

@lunarCelerity @MikeWingerii Yes. The tendency is to look at clear scriptures which seem to include women even at the highest levels having authority over men, teaching men, etc., but then a few passa

@lunarCelerity @pastherandie @MikeWingerii You are right that something doesn't sit right with how he seems to speak of egalitarians as brothers and sisters but then calls them to repent of spreading the teaching. If they refuse to repent, wouldn't t...

@lunarCelerity @pastherandie @MikeWingerii You are right that something doesn't sit right with how he seems to speak of egalitarians as brothers and sisters but then calls them to repent of spreading

@clay_keller1 @lunarCelerity @MikeWingerii Yes, this is a matter of Mike's own conscience on a debatable matter. He is free to conclude that the Bible promotes a complementarian view, but not as a matter of sin if you don't have male-only elders. If...

@clay_keller1 @lunarCelerity @MikeWingerii Yes, this is a matter of Mike's own conscience on a debatable matter. He is free to conclude that the Bible promotes a complementarian view, but not as a mat

@JonKismetCalvin @th3muse @MikeWingerii He uses a translation that says "Their wives" instead. I don't think he concludes that v11 is referring to the inclusion of women as deacons, but that this verse speaks about the wives of deacons. His justifica...

@JonKismetCalvin @th3muse @MikeWingerii He uses a translation that says "Their wives" instead. I don't think he concludes that v11 is referring to the inclusion of women as deacons, but that this vers

@peace_got @MikeWingerii I wasn't aware that some Calvary Chapel's are egal. If that's true, I'd like to know which one(s). I appreciate you as a Calvinist are willing to go to a non-Calvinist church. By non-negotiable, do you mean it is a sin for ...

@peace_got @MikeWingerii I wasn't aware that some Calvary Chapel's are egal. If that's true, I'd like to know which one(s). I appreciate you as a Calvinist are willing to go to a non-Calvinist church

@peace_got @MikeWingerii First, treating other believers like they are in unrepentant sin because they support or are female elders/pastors is a serious problem that causes disunity. Second, tolerating others that disagree with you on debatable matt...

@peace_got @MikeWingerii First, treating other believers like they are in unrepentant sin because they support or are female elders/pastors is a serious problem that causes disunity. Second, tolerati

@pastherandie @lunarCelerity @MikeWingerii And Hawk, please show me one place in

@pastherandie @lunarCelerity @MikeWingerii And Hawk, please show me one place in scripture where a godly woman teaching truth to men or shepherding people (including males) is ever called a sin.

@th3muse I wouldn't go as far as suggesting that he is creating his own religion. I was surprised how he agreed women could be deacons given that 1Ti 3:12 has the same "one wife husband" requirement as for elders. But Mike thinks its only the male d...

@th3muse I wouldn't go as far as suggesting that he is creating his own religion. I was surprised how he agreed women could be deacons given that 1Ti 3:12 has the same "one wife husband" requirement

1Ti 3:12 debate

@peace_got @MikeWingerii The fact that we disagree is evident. But to presume it is because people don't read their Bibles is to presume your view is correct. Believe me when I say that I have read the relevant passages many times and extremely caref...

@peace_got @MikeWingerii The fact that we disagree is evident. But to presume it is because people don't read their Bibles is to presume your view is correct. Believe me when I say that I have read th

@peace_got @MikeWingerii But Mike said he saw this as secondary. The problem is that he treats it as something more, like it's a sin issue to propagate egalitarian views and support female elders and pastors. If you cannot tolerate a secondary diffe...

@peace_got @MikeWingerii But Mike said he saw this as secondary. The problem is that he treats it as something more, like it's a sin issue to propagate egalitarian views and support female elders and

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-02

@Dan_NY_Giants @MikeJGreiner @MikeWingerii Right, Mike's view is that women are

@Dan_NY_Giants @MikeJGreiner @MikeWingerii Right, Mike's view is that women are limited to not being elders nor acting like elders (which he says means speaking authoritatively or speaking in a struct

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@ronhenzel @Whitehorse1255 Why else would Paul specify that “2 or 3 prophets should speak and the others should pass judgement (1Co 14:29)? Should we pass judgment on canon revelation? It would seem that there is prophecy made in Corinth that is not ...

@ronhenzel @Whitehorse1255 Why else would Paul specify that “2 or 3 prophets should speak and the others should pass judgement (1Co 14:29)? Should we pass judgment on canon revelation? It would seem t

1Co 14:29 question

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-31

@StevenMKestner The one who aspires the role of an overseer desires a good thing. In addition to being sound in the faith, the person is to be: 1. Above reproach 2. Faithful to their spouse (if married); teaches one-man-one-woman monogamous relation...

@StevenMKestner The one who aspires the role of an overseer desires a good thing. In addition to being sound in the faith, the person is to be: 1. Above reproach 2. Faithful to their spouse (if marri

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-31

@StevenMKestner Can a son hold the office of an elder?

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii Hi Ron

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii Hi Ron. I never strung you along. I mentioned that men are silenced today by overbearing pastors. There was nothing to resolv

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Why on earth are pastors and elders so possessive about “their job”? Moses said: “But Moses replied, 'Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the Lord's people were prop...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Why on earth are pastors and elders so possessive about “their job”? Moses said: “But Moses replied, 'Are you jealous for my

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii That has to do with false teaching. My point was that you are stopping women from teaching true doctrine. Then you said some men have to be silenced too. Then I sh...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii That has to do with false teaching. My point was that you are stopping women from teaching true doctrine. Then yo

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii So the modified process now has 4 steps? 1️⃣ The person who becomes aware of the sin confronts the person. 2️⃣ 1 or 2 elders join the first lerson. 3️⃣ The team of elders take ...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii So the modified process now has 4 steps? 1️⃣ The person who becomes aware of the sin confronts the person. 2️⃣ 1 or 2 elders j

@LynnCDell2 @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii How did I respond to the leadership? The only person that had any issue was my own pastor from Canada who was afraid that I might have been perceived as usurping th...

@LynnCDell2 @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii How did I respond to the leadership? The only person that had any issue was my own pastor from Canada who was afra

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii I just find it curious you judged me before knowing sufficient details. That’s not a good look. My pastor never mentioned it again despite me calmly saying I would not have ch...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii I just find it curious you judged me before knowing sufficient details. That’s not a good look. My pastor never mentioned it

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii How di

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii How did I directly contradict the pastoral oversight? My own pastor told me his thoughts in private at dinner after the event.

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii I only found out why people were refusing the elements after the meeting. No one told me beforehand that I couldn’t speak. No one stopped me. Only in a private meeting afterwar...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii I only found out why people were refusing the elements after the meeting. No one told me beforehand that I couldn’t speak. No

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii The elders must submit to Jesus’ authority. There usually are many mature people in the fellowship who can serve as witnesses, and certain so can an elder or two. The way I’ve...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii The elders must submit to Jesus’ authority. There usually are many mature people in the fellowship who can serve as witnesses,

@BradPatriarch @pastherandie Bradley, the Greek simply says μιᾶς γυναικὸς ἄνδρα (one wife husband)⎯"woman" is in the genitive form and "man" in the accusative, thus together this translates as wife and husband. The emphasis in the Greek is on "one." ...

@BradPatriarch @pastherandie Bradley, the Greek simply says μιᾶς γυναικὸς ἄνδρα (one wife husband)⎯"woman" is in the genitive form and "man" in the accusative, thus together this translates as wife an

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeW

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii So no mention of apostles or leadership? Again, what’s missing? Are you saying following what Jesus said is not

@Whitehorse1255 @ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Sounds like a great story about Edwards. However, shouldn’t we just do what scripture says? Communion is both a unifying meal and a gospel proclam...

@Whitehorse1255 @ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Sounds like a great story about Edwards. However, shouldn’t we just do what scripture says? Comm

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Jesus is the one who set the process and there is no mention of elders, though elders being the most mature would make great witnesses. The witnesses confirm ever...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Jesus is the one who set the process and there is no mention of elders, though elders being the most mature woul

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeW

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The process is clear. This is a clear matter of sin. It is not a trial⎯the witnesses would confirm every matter

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Ron, the text is explicit: 1 person, the 2-3 persons, then the entire church. The 2-3 witnesses serve as people who anyone in the church can confirm. the facts wi...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Ron, the text is explicit: 1 person, the 2-3 persons, then the entire church. The 2-3 witnesses serve as people

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii How do you know Corinth didn't have elders? It was started by Paul, and Paul and Barnabas appointed elders in each church on their first missionary journey (Ac 14...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii How do you know Corinth didn't have elders? It was started by Paul, and Paul and Barnabas appointed elders in ea

Ac 14:23 Ti 1:5 question

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The process is quite clear, Ron. It doesn't refer to elders though it would be natural for them to be involved. And it isn't controlled by elders, nor the details...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The process is quite clear, Ron. It doesn't refer to elders though it would be natural for them to be involved.

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Glad to hear you say this. However, there's a difference between the training acts of discipline for a person who submits to the process and the "turning over to ...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Glad to hear you say this. However, there's a difference between the training acts of discipline for a person wh

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii But contrary to the example you gave, the community is not responsible for dealing with the kidnapper; the police are. Jesus does not mention the elders (unless ...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii But contrary to the example you gave, the community is not responsible for dealing with the kidnapper; the polic

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The idea that it is the elders who mete out disciplinary action for unrepentant believers bypasses the instruction of Jesus in Matt 18 which says it is the 2 or 3...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The idea that it is the elders who mete out disciplinary action for unrepentant believers bypasses the instructi

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does the Bible ever speak of guarding Jesus’ table? Jesus even commanded Judas to partake and Jesus said he was a devil. Why didn't Jesus protect Judas? Yo...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does the Bible ever speak of guarding Jesus’ table? Jesus even commanded Judas to partake and Jesus said h

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does scripture say that elders are to rule? Oversight, guidance, serving the body by teaching and preaching, gently correcting and guiding are not ruling. R...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does scripture say that elders are to rule? Oversight, guidance, serving the body by teaching and preachin

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii My goodness. Paul never tells the elders that they are to judge who can take communion. The only exception would be if someone is kicked out of...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii My goodness. Paul never tells the elders that they are to judge who can take communion. The o

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii BTW, that was Jesus continuing to subject Himself to His parents when Jesus was a child. Later in Mk 3:20-21,31-35, Jesus is teaching in a house...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii BTW, that was Jesus continuing to subject Himself to His parents when Jesus was a child. Later

Mk 3:20-21 general

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii You are making an assumption. How do you know I was bringing a public allegation against an elder?? I was addressing a refusal of many to partic...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii You are making an assumption. How do you know I was bringing a public allegation against an eld

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii What should I have apologized for? For encouraging believers to take communion when I saw them refusing it? You are willing to condemn me withou...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii What should I have apologized for? For encouraging believers to take communion when I saw them

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@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I was encouraging people to take communion as this was a pastors conference. I learned later that their local pastors were telling some that they...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I was encouraging people to take communion as this was a pastors conference. I learned later th

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I am. And this is no laughing matter. I was a speaker at a conference in India and during communion, the Spirit compelled me to speak up and say...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I am. And this is no laughing matter. I was a speaker at a conference in India and during comm

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii @copper_teal I have been to one of Hinn’s crusades. He preaches the true gospel and does it very clearly. He did that better than my pastor at my church at the time did. He does it regularly when I have never heard Osteen d...

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii @copper_teal I have been to one of Hinn’s crusades. He preaches the true gospel and does it very clearly. He did that better than my pastor at my church at the time did. He

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals You are presuming mal

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals You are presuming male headship means male primacy, that males must be the only ones who speak. Except that is not what Paul is intending. B

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals So your view is Paul

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals So your view is Paul says some can prophesy and some cannot? That if a woman prophet stood up (which we both know existed in both old and new

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The following is from Hamilton's article in Priscilla Papers Vol 17, 14-15: "Christian scholars have struggled to determine exactly where Paul was quoting others’ words. An important indicat...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The following is from Hamilton's article in Priscilla Papers Vol 17, 14-15: "Christian scholars have struggled to determine exactly where Pa

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, that’s not the option the text gives for the married women (given your view that these are the words of Paul). Why can the single women ask the elders but the married ones have to go home and ask their husbands? ...

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, that’s not the option the text gives for the married women (given your view that these are the words of Paul). Why can the single women ask the elders but the mar