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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-12

@CaidenHooks @carol66944 @MikeWingerii Where does it say “if a man seeks”? The word used is “tis” in the neuter which means someone or anyone. You are imposing a clearly unintended meaning on the idiom “one wife husband” since even Paul isn’t marrie...

@CaidenHooks @carol66944 @MikeWingerii Where does it say “if a man seeks”? The word used is “tis” in the neuter which means someone or anyone. You are imposing a clearly unintended meaning on the idi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-12

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @th3muse Of course you have to say this if you don’t accept females as deacons. The facts are: - Paul uses the feminine διάκονον - Paul is commending her to the church she is moving to as a leader - She is to be received as...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @th3muse Of course you have to say this if you don’t accept females as deacons. The facts are: - Paul uses the feminine διάκονον - Paul is commending her to the church she i

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-12

@MariusM38610501 @MikeWingerii @kjvchurches I think he is assuming two different offices, one for men and one for women and saying that the female office wasn’t used historically until after the NT. But that’s fallacious as there’s only one office. ...

@MariusM38610501 @MikeWingerii @kjvchurches I think he is assuming two different offices, one for men and one for women and saying that the female office wasn’t used historically until after the NT.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-12

@MikeWingerii @kjvchurches How can you say the feminine form diakonon wasn’t available when Paul uses the feminine in Rom 16:1 for Phoebe? Your comment makes absolutely no sense. I reviewed your notes on episode 4 where you state “The Greek word dia...

@MikeWingerii @kjvchurches How can you say the feminine form diakonon wasn’t available when Paul uses the feminine in Rom 16:1 for Phoebe? Your comment makes absolutely no sense. I reviewed your note

Rom 16:1 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-11

@MikeJGreiner @ryancduff @MikeWingerii What makes you think Paul meant that God created Adam as the first ranking commanding officer over any future created human? Paul’s point was simply that Adam was created chronologically before Eve. This had an...

@MikeJGreiner @ryancduff @MikeWingerii What makes you think Paul meant that God created Adam as the first ranking commanding officer over any future created human? Paul’s point was simply that Adam w

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-11

@benkrake @MikeWingerii Sure, debating and teaching the correct Biblical view of alcohol is important. Notice that forbidding alcohol is not the correct view but one shared by those of weak conscience. Paul speaks about not doing anything to cause a ...

@benkrake @MikeWingerii Sure, debating and teaching the correct Biblical view of alcohol is important. Notice that forbidding alcohol is not the correct view but one shared by those of weak conscience

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-10

@th3muse I wouldn't go as far as suggesting that he is creating his own religion. I was surprised how he agreed women could be deacons given that 1Ti 3:12 has the same "one wife husband" requirement as for elders. But Mike thinks its only the male d...

@th3muse I wouldn't go as far as suggesting that he is creating his own religion. I was surprised how he agreed women could be deacons given that 1Ti 3:12 has the same "one wife husband" requirement

1Ti 3:12 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-04

@paulogia0 @BradVWall Leading people away from the truth isn’t noble. Clearly on

@paulogia0 @BradVWall Leading people away from the truth isn’t noble. Clearly one of us is wrong as we cannot both be right.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-04

@MarkGrote Agreed that weighing prophecy means that there may be something incor

@MarkGrote Agreed that weighing prophecy means that there may be something incorrect. What do you mean by the source? Paul said that even if he or an Angel was to preach a different gospel that it sho

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-04

@carol66944 Right, the problem isn’t with the women in general. Are you suggesti

@carol66944 Right, the problem isn’t with the women in general. Are you suggesting that if there is in fact a false teacher in Ephesus that Paul hadn’t dealt with that this means Paul or Timothy hasti

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-02

@ronhenzel @kennyinnes You are imposing something on Paul’s intention that I don’t see in his listed purposes which are: 1️⃣ Building Up the Church: Prophecy serves to edify, or build up, the church (1Co 14:4). 2️⃣ Encouragement and Consolation: Pr...

@ronhenzel @kennyinnes You are imposing something on Paul’s intention that I don’t see in his listed purposes which are: 1️⃣ Building Up the Church: Prophecy serves to edify, or build up, the church

1Co 14:4 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-02

@ronhenzel @Whitehorse1255 Paul doesn’t say to weigh the prophet but to weigh th

@ronhenzel @Whitehorse1255 Paul doesn’t say to weigh the prophet but to weigh the prophecy. Why would Paul be suggesting to allow a false prophet to speak?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-02

@ronhenzel @Whitehorse1255 So it appears you are imposing a category of prophecy

@ronhenzel @Whitehorse1255 So it appears you are imposing a category of prophecy here which Paul was not intending.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-02

@ronhenzel @Whitehorse1255 Why else would Paul specify that “2 or 3 prophets should speak and the others should pass judgement (1Co 14:29)? Should we pass judgment on canon revelation? It would seem that there is prophecy made in Corinth that is not ...

@ronhenzel @Whitehorse1255 Why else would Paul specify that “2 or 3 prophets should speak and the others should pass judgement (1Co 14:29)? Should we pass judgment on canon revelation? It would seem t

1Co 14:29 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-02

@kennyinnes @ronhenzel Exactly. And without a single command in scripture as to

@kennyinnes @ronhenzel Exactly. And without a single command in scripture as to when we are to disregard the commands Paul gives to eagerly desire to prophecy and to not forbid tongues, cessationists

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-02

@ronhenzel Further, how did the Corinthians know when to stop doing what they we

@ronhenzel Further, how did the Corinthians know when to stop doing what they were regularly doing when Paul’s instruction was to eagerly desire to prophesy?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-02

@ronhenzel When did the cessation occur then? Paul says that the gifts are for

@ronhenzel When did the cessation occur then? Paul says that the gifts are for the edification of the church and that prophecy is the greatest as it was for learning and exhortation (1Co 14:31). Ha

1Co 14:31 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-02

@ronhenzel Paul literally says in the next chapter to *earnestly desire* to prop

@ronhenzel Paul literally says in the next chapter to *earnestly desire* to prophesy and to *not forbid* speaking in tongues—both are in the imperative. "Therefore, my brothers and sisters, earnestly

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii Just to clarify: I have never once claimed any authority. The only authority related to Jesus’ own supper is Jesus himself. Paul related Jesus’ commands. No one is ...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii Just to clarify: I have never once claimed any authority. The only authority related to Jesus’ own supper is Jesus

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii I only found out why people were refusing the elements after the meeting. No one told me beforehand that I couldn’t speak. No one stopped me. Only in a private meeting afterwar...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii I only found out why people were refusing the elements after the meeting. No one told me beforehand that I couldn’t speak. No

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii How do you know Corinth didn't have elders? It was started by Paul, and Paul and Barnabas appointed elders in each church on their first missionary journey (Ac 14...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii How do you know Corinth didn't have elders? It was started by Paul, and Paul and Barnabas appointed elders in ea

Ac 14:23 Ti 1:5 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Glad to hear you say this. However, there's a difference between the training acts of discipline for a person who submits to the process and the "turning over to ...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Glad to hear you say this. However, there's a difference between the training acts of discipline for a person wh

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii My goodness. Paul never tells the elders that they are to judge who can take communion. The only exception would be if someone is kicked out of...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii My goodness. Paul never tells the elders that they are to judge who can take communion. The o

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii What should I have apologized for? For encouraging believers to take communion when I saw them refusing it? You are willing to condemn me withou...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii What should I have apologized for? For encouraging believers to take communion when I saw them

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals You are presuming mal

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals You are presuming male headship means male primacy, that males must be the only ones who speak. Except that is not what Paul is intending. B

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals So your view is Paul

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals So your view is Paul says some can prophesy and some cannot? That if a woman prophet stood up (which we both know existed in both old and new

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @EH_Esq @JayMallow3 You certainly are trying hard, Tom. I don't fault you for that. But this interpretation doesn't work because Paul is not advocating for any head covering tradition. Perhaps you can explain how it is shameful for a man...

@ymmotrojam @EH_Esq @JayMallow3 You certainly are trying hard, Tom. I don't fault you for that. But this interpretation doesn't work because Paul is not advocating for any head covering tradition. Pe

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The following is from Hamilton's article in Priscilla Papers Vol 17, 14-15: "Christian scholars have struggled to determine exactly where Paul was quoting others’ words. An important indicat...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The following is from Hamilton's article in Priscilla Papers Vol 17, 14-15: "Christian scholars have struggled to determine exactly where Pa

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You don’t see this as a command from Paul? Why

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You don’t see this as a command from Paul? Why would he command an option? Can you ignore the clear direction of the apostle?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, that’s not the option the text gives for the married women (given your view that these are the words of Paul). Why can the single women ask the elders but the married ones have to go home and ask their husbands? ...

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, that’s not the option the text gives for the married women (given your view that these are the words of Paul). Why can the single women ask the elders but the mar

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The disjunctive "or" in Paul's letters is multifunctional and context-dependent. In 1Co 14:36, Paul uses "or" in rhetorical questions to challenge the Corinthian believers, which I assert is ...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The disjunctive "or" in Paul's letters is multifunctional and context-dependent. In 1Co 14:36, Paul uses "or" in rhetorical questions to chal

1Co 14:36 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Paul is quoting a full quote from the Corinthians as he told the Corinthians that God is not a God of confusion. Then he shows the confusion. And then he rebukes the two verses and the pridef...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Paul is quoting a full quote from the Corinthians as he told the Corinthians that God is not a God of confusion. Then he shows the confusion.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals The Bereans weren't j

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals The Bereans weren't just the elders, but a characterization of the kind of people they were⎯they tested prophecy which was encouraged by Paul

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The entirety of v34 a

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The entirety of v34 and 35 are part of the quote. Its a much larger portion of text than Paul typically quoted earlier. These verses clearly

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals As believers, they are all qualified to learn discernment and should judge and since the Holy Spirit is with all believers, they should be treated as those who can have valid response to a te...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals As believers, they are all qualified to learn discernment and should judge and since the Holy Spirit is with all believers, they should be tr

1Co 11:13 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Reading gender roles into this text illegitimately forces your complementarian bias onto Paul's intent and misses how it completely contradicts everything Paul has been saying in chapter 14 l...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Reading gender roles into this text illegitimately forces your complementarian bias onto Paul's intent and misses how it completely contradic

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, decency and order⎯all participating, but not all at the same time. Not the order that recognizes some people as more important than others! That would be doing the same thing that Paul c...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, decency and order⎯all participating, but not all at the same time. Not the order that recognizes some people as more important than othe

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals How is Paul speaking to the women when he addresses them in the third person plural in vs34-35 and the "you" in vs36 is second person plural? Where were women ever stated as saying that they...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals How is Paul speaking to the women when he addresses them in the third person plural in vs34-35 and the "you" in vs36 is second person plural?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals This also applies to prophecies made by even Paul himself. The Bereans checked what Paul said against prior revelation and were commended for it. And Paul said that even if he or an angel wer...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals This also applies to prophecies made by even Paul himself. The Bereans checked what Paul said against prior revelation and were commended for

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@JayMallow3 @JollyStine The idea that Paul limits prophecy from women in the con

@JayMallow3 @JollyStine The idea that Paul limits prophecy from women in the context of the gathering is purely rediculous! Prophecy is meant to be shared with all. Paul says its the greatest gift as

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals These are two very different situations and contexts. There is no discrimination whatsoever in 1Co 11:33-34 ⎯ in fact, it is because of discriminatory behaviour that Paul is correcting them. ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals These are two very different situations and contexts. There is no discrimination whatsoever in 1Co 11:33-34 ⎯ in fact, it is because of discr

1Co 11:33-34 1Co 14:34-35 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals "Administration of prophecy"? Where are you getting this from? What does that even mean? Paul's concern is simply that if someone is prophecying and another has a prophecy, the first should ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals "Administration of prophecy"? Where are you getting this from? What does that even mean? Paul's concern is simply that if someone is prophec

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals I'm not sure how you got "order" out of this and are then using this to suggest that it is not appropriate for a woman to speak or ask questions⎯that would be a completely different sort of t...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals I'm not sure how you got "order" out of this and are then using this to suggest that it is not appropriate for a woman to speak or ask questi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, but 1Co 14:34-35

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, but 1Co 14:34-35 is so clearly contradictory that with the full quote it stands in stark contrast to what Paul wrote earlier. It doesn’t

1Co 14:34-35 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Paul uses the phrase “Now concerning” to transition topics or to respond to a question they asked. In the case of 1Co 14:34-35, there is no question and Paul is not changing topics, so why is...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Paul uses the phrase “Now concerning” to transition topics or to respond to a question they asked. In the case of 1Co 14:34-35, there is no q

1Co 14:34-35 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

Here’s a complementarian stating that my explanation for 1Co 14:34-35 is the *perfect solution* for a Biblically faithful egalitarian. ❤️ (Except I’m not looking to suck out Paul’s authority; on the contrary, Paul uses his authority to stop those si...

Here’s a complementarian stating that my explanation for 1Co 14:34-35 is the *perfect solution* for a Biblically faithful egalitarian. ❤️ (Except I’m not looking to suck out Paul’s authority; on the

1Co 14:34-35 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals I appreciate this admission, but I assure you⎯there is no "sucking" of apostolic authority at all! Paul is giving the full context of what the Corinthians wrote. How could he include less an...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals I appreciate this admission, but I assure you⎯there is no "sucking" of apostolic authority at all! Paul is giving the full context of what t

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You are saying that Paul doesn't want the women to contribute to the learning of the community: 14:1 - "Pursue love, yet earnestly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You are saying that Paul doesn't want the women to contribute to the learning of the community: 14:1 - "Pursue love, yet earnestly desire spi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Nice try. A monogamous marriage consisting of one man and one woman is what Paul is referring to, and that explicitly excludes same sex marriage. But it doesn't exclude the unmarried or the single...or women. P...

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Nice try. A monogamous marriage consisting of one man and one woman is what Paul is referring to, and that explicitly excludes same sex marriage. But it doesn't

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So basically... what

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So basically... what you are CURRENTLY doing is disobeying your own version of Paul's command.

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