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@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii He also says that women cannot “teach authoritatively”—but what does this even mean? Do we listen to a pastor or elder because they speak “authoritatively” (like the pope) or because they are Biblical and right? What would ...

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii He also says that women cannot “teach authoritatively”—but what does this even mean? Do we listen to a pastor or elder because they speak “authoritatively” (like the pope) o

@SindlandOz34748 @Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman I’m not your pastor. I’m also not overturning the plain meaning of the text. The plain meaning is very clear and that Paul has been quoting from the letter from the Corinthians is uncontest...

@SindlandOz34748 @Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman I’m not your pastor. I’m also not overturning the plain meaning of the text. The plain meaning is very clear and that Paul has been quoting

1Co 7:1 general

@PatrickGut74996 @MikeWingerii Hmm… The first-person singular pronoun “ἐγώ” (egō) means “I” and does not have gender. The first-person plural pronoun “ἡμεῖς” (hēmeis) means “we” and also does not have gender. Greek verbs in the first person singul...

@PatrickGut74996 @MikeWingerii Hmm… The first-person singular pronoun “ἐγώ” (egō) means “I” and does not have gender. The first-person plural pronoun “ἡμεῖς” (hēmeis) means “we” and also does not ha

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@SindlandOz34748 @Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman That Paul wasn’t si

@SindlandOz34748 @Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman That Paul wasn’t silencing half the body as exemplified by statements made in the very same chapter is “word salad”? 🧐

@Breasinthewoods @MikeWingerii The language of Hebrews is more refined than in P

@Breasinthewoods @MikeWingerii The language of Hebrews is more refined than in Paul’s letters. That and he is often seen identifying himself to clear up that the letter is not a forgery, even writing

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Is the Danvers statement inspired? I

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Is the Danvers statement inspired? I believe in only two genders. I believe marriage is between one man and one woman. I don’t believe the Bible teaches gen

@Disco_Missiles @MikeWingerii There’s no need for a Joe when we already know tha

@Disco_Missiles @MikeWingerii There’s no need for a Joe when we already know that there is a prominent woman who seems capable of teaching Apollos more accurately. Naming a woman as the author of a le

@avyargo @MikeWingerii Oh, now you have convinced me why the author to the Hebre

@avyargo @MikeWingerii Oh, now you have convinced me why the author to the Hebrews isn’t named!

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen I’m listening just fine. You just ke

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen I’m listening just fine. You just keep misrepresenting scripture so I have to keep correcting you.

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen You don’t know what you are talking about re: 1Co 11:3. It’s not about hierarchy or authority but source or origin relationships. Adam is the source of Eve as she was created from his flesh and bone but all...

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen You don’t know what you are talking about re: 1Co 11:3. It’s not about hierarchy or authority but source or origin relationships. Adam is the source of Eve

1Co 11:3 debate

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Where does it say her desire will be

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Where does it say her desire will be to “rule over” her husband? Why are you adding to scripture?

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Ge 2:18 speaks of a helper comparable to him. God is also said to be our helper and that does not mean we are in authority over Him. Ge 3:16 isn’t an imperative and is spoken to Eve (not Adam). It is about...

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Ge 2:18 speaks of a helper comparable to him. God is also said to be our helper and that does not mean we are in authority over Him. Ge 3:16 isn’t an imper

Ge 2:18 Ge 3:16 debate

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen You are certainly free to believe th

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen You are certainly free to believe that if you’d like. BTW, anyone who lives how they ought is leading those around them to follow. Your view of leadership

@CatMan_iF @smashbaals @danielsilliman There is no law restricting women from te

@CatMan_iF @smashbaals @danielsilliman There is no law restricting women from teaching, prophesying, or ministering simply because of being a woman.

@XianPatriot @Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman Again, you may be flippant about using the plural and the singular, but Paul seems to be intentional in the flow of this text, starting from all people, men, women, a woman, a man, Adam, Eve, t...

@XianPatriot @Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman Again, you may be flippant about using the plural and the singular, but Paul seems to be intentional in the flow of this text, starting from al

@SolSurvivor24 @SoberEvolutions @smashbaals @danielsilliman What does “usurp authority” mean? Are men allowed to do that? What authority does your pastor have specifically? When my pastor tells me something, I only listen a) if it’s benign and b) if...

@SolSurvivor24 @SoberEvolutions @smashbaals @danielsilliman What does “usurp authority” mean? Are men allowed to do that? What authority does your pastor have specifically? When my pastor tells me so

@Psalm2_12Xian @XianPatriot @smashbaals @danielsilliman Where? Show me where scr

@Psalm2_12Xian @XianPatriot @smashbaals @danielsilliman Where? Show me where scripture says that in the church men are to rule over women? Where is a man supposed to take authority over women?

@XianPatriot @Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman Did Paul suddenly forget how to use the plural for all women if he meant it? If it was an established law of God, why did he say “I do not permit”? Why is this law not repeated elsewhere? Why d...

@XianPatriot @Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman Did Paul suddenly forget how to use the plural for all women if he meant it? If it was an established law of God, why did he say “I do not perm

@XianPatriot @smashbaals @danielsilliman Well, authority was not given to men ov

@XianPatriot @smashbaals @danielsilliman Well, authority was not given to men over women either. 🤷‍♂️

@humanvideogamer @WagnerJere47288 @RenOfMen Glad to hear you follow Christ. The rest of us are all in the same boat following Jesus’ example. I honestly don’t understand what the fear is here. Thankfully this isn’t an issue in countries where there ...

@humanvideogamer @WagnerJere47288 @RenOfMen Glad to hear you follow Christ. The rest of us are all in the same boat following Jesus’ example. I honestly don’t understand what the fear is here. Thankf

Am 5:21 Gn 3:4 Job 2:9 commentary

@Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman Sentence fragments taken out of context can make the Bible appear to teach a lot of strange things… - "There is no God." (Ps 14:1) - "Eat, drink, and be merry." (Lk 12:19) - "Curse God and die." (Job 2:9) ...

@Darrin_Caudill @smashbaals @danielsilliman Sentence fragments taken out of context can make the Bible appear to teach a lot of strange things… - "There is no God." (Ps 14:1) - "Eat, drink, and be me

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Does your pastor tell you where you

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Does your pastor tell you where you should go and what you should do? A leader is someone who serves by example, not by command.

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@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen The mystery is that Christ and His c

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen The mystery is that Christ and His church are one body and receive the same inheritance (which is crazy if you really think about it). If Paul meant ruler,

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@humanvideogamer @WagnerJere47288 @RenOfMen The word kephale (translated as head

@humanvideogamer @WagnerJere47288 @RenOfMen The word kephale (translated as head) doesn't mean authority in the contexts Paul is using it. If he meant authority over, why didn't he just use a word for

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@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Egalitarians don’t object to wives s

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Egalitarians don’t object to wives submitting. Why is it subversion to say that both submit mutually? Both, not either or.

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii ...women in leadership but are willing to work within a complementarian system and keep the peace, how is that a problem? There really was no sufficient answers to these things, but it did get this pastor to think as he ...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii ...women in leadership but are willing to work within a complementarian system and keep the peace, how is that a problem? There really was no sufficient answers to these

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The scripture is contextual. If the imperative is "bring my parchments and my jacket" this is not meant as an authoritative command even for the person to whom it was originally written. Other imperatives were meant for ...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The scripture is contextual. If the imperative is "bring my parchments and my jacket" this is not meant as an authoritative command even for the person to whom it was ori

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The jumping around from plural to singular and back again is very unclear if Paul means women generically. To mix deception with generic people and salvation for those generic deceived people seems nonsensical. Paul is w...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The jumping around from plural to singular and back again is very unclear if Paul means women generically. To mix deception with generic people and salvation for those ge

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Ge 3:15-18 Pro 31:13 general

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii And many other effects of sin that were not mentio

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii And many other effects of sin that were not mentioned by God in Ge 3. I think Ge 3:15-18 had particular application to Adam and Eve. The Pro 31:13,16 are pretty clear th

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Surely there was a special application to their re

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Surely there was a special application to their relationship, though we can clearly see patterns throughout history of the mistreatment and subjugation of women. This is

Eph 5:21 Php 2:3-4 commentary

@RenOfMen The scriptures teach mutual submission for all in the body of Christ (Eph 5:21, Php 2:3-4). While egalitarian can sound like each is supposed to assert their rights, I think 'mutualist' is a better term and conveys the idea that each is sub...

@RenOfMen The scriptures teach mutual submission for all in the body of Christ (Eph 5:21, Php 2:3-4). While egalitarian can sound like each is supposed to assert their rights, I think 'mutualist' is a

@RenOfMen We are not supposed to subjugate another human against their will. Of

@RenOfMen We are not supposed to subjugate another human against their will. Of course if they violate the law of the land, we do this regularly. However, a husband is never to do that to his wife!

@RenOfMen Actually, it seems that patriarchalists refuse to submit themselves to

@RenOfMen Actually, it seems that patriarchalists refuse to submit themselves to serve all including women. If we all mutually submitted, everything works out.

@RenOfMen Hmm. The women I know understand mutual submission. It seems it is rat

@RenOfMen Hmm. The women I know understand mutual submission. It seems it is rather the men who think they don’t have to submit. 🤷‍♂️

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii What is Paul's point using Eve as an archetype of

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii What is Paul's point using Eve as an archetype of all women (what you have said elsewhere is 'womankind')? Are you suggesting Paul is explaining to Timothy that all women

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii How could women prophesy to men which is by defini

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii How could women prophesy to men which is by definition authoritative and not teach truth to men? Why would Jesus be hamstringing half His body?

1Co 11:10 1Co 6:2-3 Re 2:26-27 debate

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul says that the saints will judge the world and angels (1Co 6:2-3) and Jesus will seat believers on His throne with Him (Re 2:26-27; 3:21). Why would that be a sin in the church for women if Paul even uses it to justi...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul says that the saints will judge the world and angels (1Co 6:2-3) and Jesus will seat believers on His throne with Him (Re 2:26-27; 3:21). Why would that be a sin in

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii If women cannot teach or pastor men, why can’t the

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii If women cannot teach or pastor men, why can’t they teach or pastor women? That has to be explained. So they could be teachers and pastors but just not over men? That mak

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii There are no verses of lists of sin that confirms

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii There are no verses of lists of sin that confirms that a woman teaching truth to men or pastoring is a sin. Deborah seems to be clearly violating this in the OT and God a

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii It’s not even an imperative. It was written to Timothy in a letter concerning how he should act to deal with false teaching. If women teaching truth to men is a sin or having authority over men is a sin that condemns wom...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii It’s not even an imperative. It was written to Timothy in a letter concerning how he should act to deal with false teaching. If women teaching truth to men is a sin or ha

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii But you are looking at an example. And this certai

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii But you are looking at an example. And this certainly is a valid option. Thank you for your humble probability calculation. I recognize that. But Paul’s context has to be

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I'm not sure what your point is. He concealed her

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I'm not sure what your point is. He concealed her name but Timothy was clear on who he was referring to. You have Paul concealing a command that women are not to preach

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Yes, just like I'm not allowed to be a leader (eve

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Yes, just like I'm not allowed to be a leader (ever) in 3 churches I inquired because I'm either not a Calvinist or because I'm egalitarian even though I would accept wor

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul is protecting this deceived woman by not nami

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul is protecting this deceived woman by not naming her like he names Hymenaeus and Alexander. Since this is a personal letter to a close companion, he only needs to com

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Is that how we determine Paul's meaning? That we h

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Is that how we determine Paul's meaning? That we have to find a corresponding example in extant Greek literature or it is not possible even if it fits many details in the

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@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Where is a woman teaching truth to men ever listed

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Where is a woman teaching truth to men ever listed as a sin? If it is only with respect to 'authoritative teaching,' what exactly is that? Isn't God's word authoritative

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I understand you see this as speculative, but I never said it was the grounding of the whole letter. Your view has Paul giving a command to all women to not be in positions of authority over men in a personal letter to ...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I understand you see this as speculative, but I never said it was the grounding of the whole letter. Your view has Paul giving a command to all women to not be in positi

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii You said I have to break the immediate context. But this is not the case if Paul is using Eve prototypically. What Paul writes, "but the woman..." sounds like it's referring to Eve, yet he already mentioned her name and ...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii You said I have to break the immediate context. But this is not the case if Paul is using Eve prototypically. What Paul writes, "but the woman..." sounds like it's referr

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Thanks for the encouragement to spend more time studying Koine Greek, Raven. I am not an expert and am still learning, however, I do have sufficient resources to check and I didn't confirm my take on the subjunctive firs...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Thanks for the encouragement to spend more time studying Koine Greek, Raven. I am not an expert and am still learning, however, I do have sufficient resources to check an

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The subjunctive can also express verbal action in terms of mere possibility. In Greek, it is the optative mood that points to possibility more than probability. It isn’t a strongly worded command and that is why (I beli...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The subjunctive can also express verbal action in terms of mere possibility. In Greek, it is the optative mood that points to possibility more than probability. It isn’t