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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I think that for your view of 1Ti 2:12, however, y

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I think that for your view of 1Ti 2:12, however, you cannot agree with my view of authority. It fundamentally undermines your perspective of this passage.

1Ti 2:12 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Where? In 1Ti 2:11-15. Paul demonstrates mercy by

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Where? In 1Ti 2:11-15. Paul demonstrates mercy by not naming this woman teaching false doctrine and instructing that she be taught the truth. Paul does not instruct Timot

1Ti 1:19-20 1Ti 2:11-15 question

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii For example—none of the following imperatives (commands) are binding on you or I, nor do I think even to those whom Paul was speaking to: 1. 2Ti 4:13: "When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, an...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii For example—none of the following imperatives (commands) are binding on you or I, nor do I think even to those whom Paul was speaking to: 1. 2Ti 4:13: "When you come, br

1Ti 5:23 2Ti 4:13 general

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Maybe you could comment on the following verse abo

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Maybe you could comment on the following verse about Paul: 2Co 10:10: "For some say, 'His letters are weighty and forceful, but in person he is unimpressive and his spea

2Co 10:10 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-30

@smashbaals Please demonstrate where the Bible shows that Deborah the judge and

@smashbaals Please demonstrate where the Bible shows that Deborah the judge and prophet (mouthpiece of God and highest authority in the land) was God’s judgment on His people.

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I think that for your view of 1Ti 2:12, however, y

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Where? In 1Ti 2:11-15. Paul demonstrates mercy by

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii For example—none of the following imperatives (commands) are binding on you or I, nor do I think even to those whom Paul was speaking to: 1. 2Ti 4:13: "When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, an...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Maybe you could comment on the following verse abo

@smashbaals Please demonstrate where the Bible shows that Deborah the judge and

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The authority is not in the messenger but the mess

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The idea that speaking to men is taking authority

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I have no idea how Origen supports his view of a woman not having authority over men when it comes to Deborah. But I am not an expert on Origen and surely understanding Paul doesn’t require one to be an expert on Origen!...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Yet doesn’t Origen believe women cannot address a

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Clearly Origen is trying to take into consideration how women are to be silent and yet Miriam can address the assembly—his answer is that the silence has to do with having authority over men. Of course Origen isn’t takin...

@MikeWingerii Please let me know what church is obeying the following scriptures—I’d like to go there: "What is the outcome then, brothers and sisters? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an i...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I’m what do you mean “pretty much every use of the verb”? Yes, I get my interpretation from how Paul uses the word in context. Somehow you get the meaning that Paul is stopping people from teaching true doctrine. I don...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii I never got that from reading Terran. I very much

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul purportedly says that a woman must not take authority over a man and uses creation to justify this. So I ask then where do Eve take authority over Adam or Adam over Eve? How then does creation justify such a stateme...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii What authority was Eve taking over Adam? What does

@curtisschlepp @JollyStine If you read 1Ti 3 overliterally an overseer has to be married and have at least 2 believing children. Those who read “husband” and rather than asserting married say “must be male” are not taking the text literally as they c...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Again, that's not my point. The noun authenteis is

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii We also cannot constrain Paul’s meaning because we found a couple of texts that used it differently. Ultimately how Paul is using the word is dependent on the context, and Paul uses Adam and Eve and the deception in the ...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Ultimately our understanding of the Biblical text is not driven by how a couple of unrelated texts used the word but Paul’s context and meaning. Since Paul quotes from Wis Sol it is a more relevant text when assessing th...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii That is a mischaracterization of Terran’s point. His point was not about Paul’s love of Wis Sol but that Paul was familiar with a variety of sources which suggests his familiarity with the use of the noun as murderers. T...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii The idea that Paul’s use of an older word would be analogous to using King James-era English in modern speech to leverage its rich vocabulary is quite apt. It’s not about the typical audience but the precision and impact...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul’s audience in this letter is Timothy, a close partner whom he had mentored for years, and so Timothy would understand Paul’s language and intent, even if it included words with a historical connotation. Further, the...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Terran also presents evidence that Philo and Josephus, who wrote around the time of Paul, used αὐθεντής to mean “murderer.” This usage is considered within the context of their literary style and their audience’s underst...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Rather, Terran's article acknowledges that many in

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii ...being much less commonly used, requires careful contextual analysis to understand Paul's intent. So yes, word meanings do evolve over time, but just like we might go back to an older word to get at a specific meaning...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Further, whatever Wolters and Winger think the word means in other contexts still does not address how Paul intends to use the word and the contextual details he draws upon, that Timothy at least must have understood Pau...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Yes, Winger says very clearly that context is king and believes he is examining Paul's context. I really don't recall him drawing much on chapter 1 in his interpretation of chapter 2, so I challenge him on his examinatio...

@dadbodchess @MrEncouragement @smashbaals No, but the RNC is not a church.

@MeridithABlack @MikeWingerii Well, the reason I asked was because it was Mike that said that I need to repent for propagating what I believe the scripture teaches about women in pastoral ministry which disagrees with what he says it teaches—somethin...

@MikeWingerii Are you referring to complementarians?

@StevenMKestner @carol66944 @JoelWBerry Given that only two men—Peter and John—are explicitly referred to as elders in the NT (and it is self identification), I’m quite surprised Carol listed these two Old Testament women as examples of elders. Does...

RT @retank: I had a great conversation with @ryanschatz about Egalitarians vs C

@StevenMKestner @carol66944 @JoelWBerry Does husband apply to a single men like

Did @smashbaals just say he is sick and tired of people using the Bible to defen

@smashbaals Ok, but we are tired of you forbidding and rejecting women from full

@Kevin_OrthoSP @WayLay18848 @rebelsquadron01 @smashbaals Paul writes the following: “I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things ...

@Kevin_OrthoSP @WayLay18848 @rebelsquadron01 @smashbaals What do you mean scripture is only infallible in the context of the Church? Are you suggesting we don't have access to understanding and evaluating the meaning of the original texts and have to...

@Olrak67 @The_njp @Protestia Yes, because scripture doesn't forbid godly and com

@BaldwinOfJ @samuel_costner @WokePreacherTV Why don't you exegete 1Ti 2:12 in co

@BaldwinOfJ @samuel_costner @WokePreacherTV The foundation of my argument in scripture and its context. Your assertion that no female can teach is baseless and takes 1Ti 2:12 out of context. Ashkenazi? What are you talking about? Jesus is Jewish. Hi...

@BaldwinOfJ @samuel_costner @WokePreacherTV Thankfully you don't have the authority to proclaim anyone is outside of the faith unless what you claim agrees with what the scripture says about this. Does the scripture say that anyone who believes godl...

@BaldwinOfJ @samuel_costner @WokePreacherTV Because 'Ryan says so'? By no means!

@Pastor_Gabe @JoelWBerry It's not a women's Bible study. And yes, the format was made for a video and not in front of a live audience. Do you really need me to show you one where she's in front of a live audience? What makes a pastor? Is it a label ...

@samuel_costner @WokePreacherTV Yeah, you seem to also struggle with reading letters in the Bible in context. Don’t forget this is a personal letter to Timothy instructing him to stop false teaching, not to stop anyone from teaching the truth to anyo...

@Reformed_Zoomer @samuel_costner @WokePreacherTV Right. Be very careful. Because

@samuel_costner @WokePreacherTV God doesn’t forbid women to speak and preach. Yo

@MargMowczko @KaeleyT The use of 'the woman' in Genesis is before she was named Eve. It is yet another tie back to her ignorance. Your comment that Eve was never referred to as 'a woman' is odd as she not a generic woman. In 1Ti 2:14, we see the an...

@avyargo Part of what it means to be made in God’s image is that women also rule

@The11Hour_1776 Oh that’s cute—I don’t know what egalitarianism is? Certainly we might disagree on what it means, but I know what it means. Treating women like they are eternal children rather than as capable of decision making and leading is a prob...

@PastorMark "But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever." (1Ti 5:8). The Greek word used here is "τις" (tis), which is a gender-neutral term ...

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