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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-10-08

@LM4819962872993 @Rattle_Resists @michael_ronning Well, yes, I think the English translation here is misleading. The English isn’t inspired and translators can have bias. No man is the head of the church except Christ—and this is because by His deat...

@LM4819962872993 @Rattle_Resists @michael_ronning Well, yes, I think the English translation here is misleading. The English isn’t inspired and translators can have bias. No man is the head of the ch

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-09-20

@Manny_Clay1 1Ti 2:13-14 only states that the time order of creation is why Adam wasn't deceived and Eve was. 1Co 11:3 is not about authority but about source relationships as confirmed by v11-12. 1Co 11:9 is merely describing why Eve was created, ...

@Manny_Clay1 1Ti 2:13-14 only states that the time order of creation is why Adam wasn't deceived and Eve was. 1Co 11:3 is not about authority but about source relationships as confirmed by v11-12. 1

1Co 11:10 1Co 11:3 1Co 11:9 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-09-20

@strykerdawn Actually, it does. I’m attaching a few resources as well as something from “The Expository Dictionary of Bible Words” below. The guards on the wall of a city were called to keep watch over the safety of the city. Guard In each case it ...

@strykerdawn Actually, it does. I’m attaching a few resources as well as something from “The Expository Dictionary of Bible Words” below. The guards on the wall of a city were called to keep watch ov

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-09-01

@HollandGreig @sheilagregoire If this is about authority relationships then why no words that mean authority? Just because the word kephale is used doesn’t mean authority. It means the topmost part of the body. It may even mean prominent. It can mean...

@HollandGreig @sheilagregoire If this is about authority relationships then why no words that mean authority? Just because the word kephale is used doesn’t mean authority. It means the topmost part of

@LM4819962872993 @Rattle_Resists @michael_ronning Well, yes, I think the English translation here is misleading. The English isn’t inspired and translators can have bias. No man is the head of the church except Christ—and this is because by His deat...

@Manny_Clay1 1Ti 2:13-14 only states that the time order of creation is why Adam wasn't deceived and Eve was. 1Co 11:3 is not about authority but about source relationships as confirmed by v11-12. 1Co 11:9 is merely describing why Eve was created, ...

@strykerdawn Actually, it does. I’m attaching a few resources as well as something from “The Expository Dictionary of Bible Words” below. The guards on the wall of a city were called to keep watch over the safety of the city. Guard In each case it ...

@HollandGreig @sheilagregoire If this is about authority relationships then why no words that mean authority? Just because the word kephale is used doesn’t mean authority. It means the topmost part of the body. It may even mean prominent. It can mean...

@HollandGreig @sheilagregoire If this means authority over, why isn’t the word f

@martyrian_slave @ronhenzel I realize that’s the common story. But v22 cannot be saying something that contradicts mutual submission. It’s leveling up how wives are submitting—rather than out of duty like a slave, willingly like to Christ. V23-24 are...

The passage he reads from says “of which He is the Savior” but he doesn’t seem t

@JamMom89 If 1Co 11:3 had anything to do with order or hierarchy, wouldn’t Paul have said it as: God-&gt;Jesus-&gt;man-&gt;woman-&gt;children ? And wouldn’t he have used a word for authority, power or rule instead of kephale which can mean source, or...

@JamMom89 @firegirl2510 @Chad4328 Kephale doesn’t mean authority or ruler over. God made Eve from Adam’s flesh and bone: he was her source. Every husband and wife after this are patterned after the first one-flesh couple. The woman isn’t inherently ...

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen You don’t know what you are talking about re: 1Co 11:3. It’s not about hierarchy or authority but source or origin relationships. Adam is the source of Eve as she was created from his flesh and bone but all...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Today the husband is the head (source) of his wife

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Adam is the head of Eve, but not in the sense of h

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Thanks for the encouragement to spend more time studying Koine Greek, Raven. I am not an expert and am still learning, however, I do have sufficient resources to check and I didn't confirm my take on the subjunctive firs...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Further, it is not that the noun and verb forms are completely unrelated but that Winger’s contention that the noun was not used to mean murderer in Paul’s time fails because it’s clearly present in a text Paul was quoti...

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii That is a mischaracterization of Terran’s point. His point was not about Paul’s love of Wis Sol but that Paul was familiar with a variety of sources which suggests his familiarity with the use of the noun as murderers. T...

@Unashamed_Chuck I believe that Paul’s use of the Greek word kephale is not about authority or leadership but has to do with the source relationship between the husband and the wife coming from Eden where Eve was made from and for Adam. Both were com...

@LuckyDuck2121 @Crystalisives Adam was literally the first man created and from

@DBryanRhodes @Grump_Old_Man @ronhenzel @Gates_of_Derry @CalebDixonSmith I have

@Grump_Old_Man @DBryanRhodes @ronhenzel @Gates_of_Derry @CalebDixonSmith Head do

@DBryanRhodes @ronhenzel @Gates_of_Derry @CalebDixonSmith Paul is using that term in a specific way to refer to His being the source or origin of the church which is His body. This isn’t about authority or hierarchy so the English word isn’t the best...

@pastherandie @B_Christs_Amb @MikeWingerii @JohnPiper @waynegrudem I would say the authority for the man to rule over the woman wasn’t given by God, but both are equally commanded to rule. The problem with using head in English is we see it meaning ...

@Edwardteac79895 But what you are likely doing is translating as: Man is the master of the woman like God is the master of man. Am I right? What scripture is actually saying is: Man is the source of his wife (as all marriage symbolically refers ba...

@LogicSaysBurn @Cooper9DL That source is Leon Morris, a complementarian, in his

@westminbaptist Except “head” is not meant as master over but as source or origi

@rofbethany @DefendTheSheep However, head does not mean master or commander, but source or origin. Adam’s flesh and bone is the origin or source of Eve. Jesus’ flesh and blood is the origin or source of life of the church. Take the following from a ...

@RoiRogers2 @ZA_Legacy @smashbaals Marriage has its foundation in the first man and woman. Since Adam was formed first and then Eve from his flesh and bone, it is said that the husband is the source or origin of his wife. It portrays an intimate one ...

@Robert_S_Morley @5cd5945b24ec495 @ronhenzel @GarOHoff @StanfieldBrent1 @Idolkiller What do you mean by Jesus emptied himself of equality with God? So He had His own power all along but just refused to use it and instead only use the power of the Ho...

@Robert_S_Morley @ronhenzel @5cd5945b24ec495 @GarOHoff @StanfieldBrent1 @Idolkiller Authority has to do with initiative and operating independently from the Father. Jesus submitted himself as a servant, but it is clear that He had the power to raise ...

@DST_QA @Crystalisives The wife is never said to be the head but that is because

@PastorRobMonroe @KaeleyT @megbasham Jesus’ body was from God. The Father is not the source of the eternal uncreated Son but of His body. Eve’s body was created from Adam’s flesh and bone. Your comment that the doctrine was never questioned until…I...

@PeterThreshwood @Almsivi7 Headship doesn’t mean authority over in this context.

@emery__bored I’m not shrinking from kephale. Paul uses that word to connect eve

@IiiPaulus @sailemptyskies @rr74cm Gen 1:28 has God commanding in the imperative

@MarkGrote Agreed that weighing prophecy means that there may be something incor

@Unashamed_Chuck @JamesDitto12 Yes, the man is the head, but not in the way that you think. This is not about authority over or rule over but, sourcing marriage back to the very first marriage and its basis in the origin of the woman from Adam’s fles...

@KatKanada_TM @MikeWingerii I suspect you didn’t check up his quotes from egalit

@DrZPl @haymes_joshua @Blogsbloke I think Payne lists something like 15 lexicons

@haymes_joshua @Blogsbloke Egalitarians don’t believe that the husband is not th

@peace_got @Robert_S_Morley @AlistairRobert7 @JollyStine @pastherandie @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii When anyone at that time diverges from the generally accepted view of male authority it should be carefully noted. Cyril’s co...

The reason he leaves is because the first woman was taken out of the first man.

@peace_got @JollyStine @pastherandie @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii Ne

@Torncurtainorg @914Ann @AWoytuik @MikeWingerii No, that's not it. God is not interested in ranking people. I don't know where you get this idea from. Head can be used in that way (mostly how we use it in English today), but the meaning in scripture ...

@pastherandie @MikeWingerii @Crystalisives @CherylSchatz @ryancduff @will_servant @CharmyRosewolf @Ichthusproject @bkr8un @JollyStine @jdpritchett - Head as authority was never intended though Mike would protest. - Head as source was always intended,...

@GarySweeten2 Looking at the text and observing carefully what is going on is not adding stuff. Rich? Oh, that's funny. You think I'm getting rich off of explaining this to people? Headship has to do with source, not authority. Adam is Eve's source ...

@jhob97 @MikeWingerii Mike imports the idea of gender roles from other complementarians. What the Bible actually teaches is source relationships as the basis for marriage and what attitude we are to have. "Have this **attitude** in yourselves which ...

@SansFollowers FYI - I’m preparing a thread on Kephale and source. I’ll link it

Mike mocks the egalitarian argument that 'kephale' means source. [45:20] In epi

@JoanBandy @BogdanOancea77 Joan is correct. Paul is using kephale to describe so

@JoanBandy @BogdanOancea77 That's right. If Paul meant authority, why did he choose such an extremely rare verb even in non-Biblical sources. But with clues from the context and references, we can piece together what Paul is doing and confirm this ne...

@LutheranLifter Crystal clear there’s a hierarchy? Not sure what you’re smoking but it’s clouding your vision. Paul says "For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man"⎯Paul is giving the reason why a married woman has two "heads" or sou...

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@JamMom89 If 1Co 11:3 had anything to do with order or hierarchy, wouldn’t Paul have said it as: God->Jesus->man->woman->children ? And wouldn’t he have used a word for authority, power or rule instead of kephale which can mean source, or...

@jhob97 @MikeWingerii Mike imports the idea of gender roles from other complementarians. What the Bible actually teaches is source relationships as the basis for marriage and what attitude we are to have. "Have this attitude in yourselves which ...