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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Jesus is the one who set the process and there is no mention of elders, though elders being the most mature would make great witnesses. The witnesses confirm ever...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Jesus is the one who set the process and there is no mention of elders, though elders being the most mature woul

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeW

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The process is clear. This is a clear matter of sin. It is not a trial⎯the witnesses would confirm every matter

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Ron, the text is explicit: 1 person, the 2-3 persons, then the entire church. The 2-3 witnesses serve as people who anyone in the church can confirm. the facts wi...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Ron, the text is explicit: 1 person, the 2-3 persons, then the entire church. The 2-3 witnesses serve as people

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii How do you know Corinth didn't have elders? It was started by Paul, and Paul and Barnabas appointed elders in each church on their first missionary journey (Ac 14...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii How do you know Corinth didn't have elders? It was started by Paul, and Paul and Barnabas appointed elders in ea

Ac 14:23 Ti 1:5 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Glad to hear you say this. However, there's a difference between the training acts of discipline for a person who submits to the process and the "turning over to ...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Glad to hear you say this. However, there's a difference between the training acts of discipline for a person wh

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@SnapThatGinger @TerranWilliams4 He did say Egalitarians are fellow believers and should be treated as such, and then told us to repent of “the teaching” and advised those who agree with Mike to leave their egalitarian churches “loudly” and take othe...

@SnapThatGinger @TerranWilliams4 He did say Egalitarians are fellow believers and should be treated as such, and then told us to repent of “the teaching” and advised those who agree with Mike to leave

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The idea that it is the elders who mete out disciplinary action for unrepentant believers bypasses the instruction of Jesus in Matt 18 which says it is the 2 or 3...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The idea that it is the elders who mete out disciplinary action for unrepentant believers bypasses the instructi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does the Bible ever speak of guarding Jesus’ table? Jesus even commanded Judas to partake and Jesus said he was a devil. Why didn't Jesus protect Judas? Yo...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does the Bible ever speak of guarding Jesus’ table? Jesus even commanded Judas to partake and Jesus said h

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii My goodness. Paul never tells the elders that they are to judge who can take communion. The only exception would be if someone is kicked out of...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii My goodness. Paul never tells the elders that they are to judge who can take communion. The o

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@MikeWingerii @mosesm276 “…you've decided I'm wrong and are able to rebuke me before even hearing out what I have said.” Isn’t that interesting. Isn’t this exactly what you did to Egalitarian scholars without making sure you understood them right fi...

@MikeWingerii @mosesm276 “…you've decided I'm wrong and are able to rebuke me before even hearing out what I have said.” Isn’t that interesting. Isn’t this exactly what you did to Egalitarian scholar

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@MikeWingerii @mosesm276 Curious how you have the time to provide a full length response to defend yourself (when it wasn’t even really necessary) but don’t have the time to respond to someone pleading with you to rescind your call for egalitarians t...

@MikeWingerii @mosesm276 Curious how you have the time to provide a full length response to defend yourself (when it wasn’t even really necessary) but don’t have the time to respond to someone pleadin

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii BTW, that was Jesus continuing to subject Himself to His parents when Jesus was a child. Later in Mk 3:20-21,31-35, Jesus is teaching in a house...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii BTW, that was Jesus continuing to subject Himself to His parents when Jesus was a child. Later

Mk 3:20-21 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii What should I have apologized for? For encouraging believers to take communion when I saw them refusing it? You are willing to condemn me withou...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii What should I have apologized for? For encouraging believers to take communion when I saw them

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii @copper_teal No one can ever know the details of some

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii @copper_teal No one can ever know the details of someone’s heart motives. However, not teaching it again is a significant detail often overlooked.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii @copper_teal I have been to one of Hinn’s crusades. He preaches the true gospel and does it very clearly. He did that better than my pastor at my church at the time did. He does it regularly when I have never heard Osteen d...

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii @copper_teal I have been to one of Hinn’s crusades. He preaches the true gospel and does it very clearly. He did that better than my pastor at my church at the time did. He

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@stablecross @MikeWingerii What do you mean it’s both/and? How can you have male primacy or priority and say that women are equally valued? Egalitarians still believe that there are differences between men and women, both physically and in the way e...

@stablecross @MikeWingerii What do you mean it’s both/and? How can you have male primacy or priority and say that women are equally valued? Egalitarians still believe that there are differences betwe

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@FreeAme19691836 @subq @MikeWingerii Sounds good, Russell. The great commission is to make disciples and teach them to obey everything Jesus commanded his disciples. That doesn’t preclude dealing with divisive issues and helping people to know what s...

@FreeAme19691836 @subq @MikeWingerii Sounds good, Russell. The great commission is to make disciples and teach them to obey everything Jesus commanded his disciples. That doesn’t preclude dealing with

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@EH_Esq @JayMallow3 Yes he did. This particular complementarian doesn’t believe

@EH_Esq @JayMallow3 Yes he did. This particular complementarian doesn’t believe that women should prophesy in the full meeting of the church. She has to do it outside of that meeting.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The disjunctive "or" in Paul's letters is multifunctional and context-dependent. In 1Co 14:36, Paul uses "or" in rhetorical questions to challenge the Corinthian believers, which I assert is ...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The disjunctive "or" in Paul's letters is multifunctional and context-dependent. In 1Co 14:36, Paul uses "or" in rhetorical questions to chal

1Co 14:36 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is a responsibility for the elders, but it is oversight, not control. Raising up those who are able to correctly discern is the desired outcome, not being the one doing everything as a ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is a responsibility for the elders, but it is oversight, not control. Raising up those who are able to correctly discern is the desired

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals As believers, they are all qualified to learn discernment and should judge and since the Holy Spirit is with all believers, they should be treated as those who can have valid response to a te...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals As believers, they are all qualified to learn discernment and should judge and since the Holy Spirit is with all believers, they should be tr

1Co 11:13 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Reading gender roles into this text illegitimately forces your complementarian bias onto Paul's intent and misses how it completely contradicts everything Paul has been saying in chapter 14 l...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Reading gender roles into this text illegitimately forces your complementarian bias onto Paul's intent and misses how it completely contradic

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals How is Paul speaking to the women when he addresses them in the third person plural in vs34-35 and the "you" in vs36 is second person plural? Where were women ever stated as saying that they...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals How is Paul speaking to the women when he addresses them in the third person plural in vs34-35 and the "you" in vs36 is second person plural?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, teaching and cor

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, teaching and correcting false doctrine is an important function of the elders. But testing and discerning are meant for all believers, n

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals This also applies to prophecies made by even Paul himself. The Bereans checked what Paul said against prior revelation and were commended for it. And Paul said that even if he or an angel wer...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals This also applies to prophecies made by even Paul himself. The Bereans checked what Paul said against prior revelation and were commended for

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals These are two very different situations and contexts. There is no discrimination whatsoever in 1Co 11:33-34 ⎯ in fact, it is because of discriminatory behaviour that Paul is correcting them. ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals These are two very different situations and contexts. There is no discrimination whatsoever in 1Co 11:33-34 ⎯ in fact, it is because of discr

1Co 11:33-34 1Co 14:34-35 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals "Administration of prophecy"? Where are you getting this from? What does that even mean? Paul's concern is simply that if someone is prophecying and another has a prophecy, the first should ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals "Administration of prophecy"? Where are you getting this from? What does that even mean? Paul's concern is simply that if someone is prophec

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals “Have two or three prophets speak, and have the others pass judgment.” (1Co 14:29) There is nothing here stating that it is the "teacher's job" to pass judgment on prophecy. At minimum, the ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals “Have two or three prophets speak, and have the others pass judgment.” (1Co 14:29) There is nothing here stating that it is the "teacher's j

1Co 14:29 1Co 6:2-3 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, but 1Co 14:34-35

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, but 1Co 14:34-35 is so clearly contradictory that with the full quote it stands in stark contrast to what Paul wrote earlier. It doesn’t

1Co 14:34-35 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You are saying that Paul doesn't want the women to contribute to the learning of the community: 14:1 - "Pursue love, yet earnestly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You are saying that Paul doesn't want the women to contribute to the learning of the community: 14:1 - "Pursue love, yet earnestly desire spi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Nice try. A monogamous marriage consisting of one man and one woman is what Paul is referring to, and that explicitly excludes same sex marriage. But it doesn't exclude the unmarried or the single...or women. P...

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Nice try. A monogamous marriage consisting of one man and one woman is what Paul is referring to, and that explicitly excludes same sex marriage. But it doesn't

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But again, you want to use "all" to mean literally "all can learn" but want the first all in the same verse ("all can prophesy") to apply to only the men? The fact that they are to do it in ...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But again, you want to use "all" to mean literally "all can learn" but want the first all in the same verse ("all can prophesy") to apply to

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@marcelciencia @smashbaals I believe all scripture is inspired and useful for...

@marcelciencia @smashbaals I believe all scripture is inspired and useful for...every good work. I'm not picking and choosing. What on earth are you talking about?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Tom ⎯ who in your view is Paul supposedly talking to in v34-35 and who is being spoken to in v36? In v34-35, it is speaking of the women in 3rd person plural, but the "you" in v36 is 2nd pers...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Tom ⎯ who in your view is Paul supposedly talking to in v34-35 and who is being spoken to in v36? In v34-35, it is speaking of the women in 3

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@smashbaals I don’t reject Paul and believe that women are not forbidden from se

@smashbaals I don’t reject Paul and believe that women are not forbidden from serving as pastors. I guess your chart breaks at the first step. 🤷‍♂️

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@pastherandie @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Not referring to Tom or Ron, but there sure have been a lot of people coming out of the woodwork and breathing fire on egalitarians. I had a guy tell me he would not block me over his dead b...

@pastherandie @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Not referring to Tom or Ron, but there sure have been a lot of people coming out of the woodwork and breathing fire on egalitarians. I had a

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@pastherandie @ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Well, no, it’

@pastherandie @ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Well, no, it’s just all these made up yard sticks that get defined by men who try their best to obey commands that the scripture isn’

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Hey, all the best with whatever restrictions you place on the women in your church. At my church, we don’t want to suppress the holy spirit’s work. We even open up the mic, show a slide outlining...

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Hey, all the best with whatever restrictions you place on the women in your church. At my church, we don’t want to suppress the holy spirit’s work

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Why define the “whole churc

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Why define the “whole church” as one congregation? Isn’t the whole church defined by all believers? Sigh….why do I see Pharisee written all over t

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Yes and so long as you understand my disagreement and pressing you is simply to challenge your views and not to force your church to do something they don’t think is right. You are applying aposto...

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Yes and so long as you understand my disagreement and pressing you is simply to challenge your views and not to force your church to do something t

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Right because women are nev

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Right because women are never meant to share a hymn or a lesson in front of the whole group, just small groups… Must never let a woman encourage th

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals All this means is that: - church is not setup for questions, so no one is asking them, or - women in your church have resigned themselves to never speaking in church and they either know how to suppress th...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals All this means is that: - church is not setup for questions, so no one is asking them, or - women in your church have resigned themselves to never speaking

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So girls (not yet women), boys and

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So girls (not yet women), boys and men can all ask questions? Even in school, does asking questions in class show lack of submission? Maybe in a dictator

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron says that they could ask the elders—then why is that not what Paul says? Why are only the women guided to ask the elders and not everyone? Tom, you say that Paul just wants to say that the questions s...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron says that they could ask the elders—then why is that not what Paul says? Why are only the women guided to ask the elders and not everyone? Tom, you sa

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@LukeMasonVO @kriesese @smashbaals I’m actually asking them to people like you who should be better at reading Paul. Does Paul say non-sensical things? Does he contradict himself even in the very same portion of text (see 1Co 14:31 which says that al...

@LukeMasonVO @kriesese @smashbaals I’m actually asking them to people like you who should be better at reading Paul. Does Paul say non-sensical things? Does he contradict himself even in the very same

1Co 14:31 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@SKokenos @smashbaals A disciple will eventually be a discipler of others. Whether or not they become full time pastors or not is not the concern. There are no limitations except those based on character and being sound in the faith. Even Moses sai...

@SKokenos @smashbaals A disciple will eventually be a discipler of others. Whether or not they become full time pastors or not is not the concern. There are no limitations except those based on chara

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@kriesese @smashbaals The women are to keep silent? What about the single ones and the widows who don’t have husbands? What about those whose husbands are unbelievers? What about those whose husbands know less than them? “For you can all prophesy on...

@kriesese @smashbaals The women are to keep silent? What about the single ones and the widows who don’t have husbands? What about those whose husbands are unbelievers? What about those whose husbands

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@smashbaals Then why do you believe that a woman is forbidden from serving as a

@smashbaals Then why do you believe that a woman is forbidden from serving as a pastor?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-27

@carol66944 Why do you frame the opposing view as a "one-off marital dispute of

@carol66944 Why do you frame the opposing view as a "one-off marital dispute of usurping"? Are you referring to my view or that of someone else? I don't believe that authentein means "usurping authori

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-26

@pastherandie @JohnGal63607182 @ryancduff @Whi79226Anthony @MikeWingerii It’s because he believes it harms the complementarian view that gender roles are to represent Christ and the church. He thinks there is a one way submission in that relationship...

@pastherandie @JohnGal63607182 @ryancduff @Whi79226Anthony @MikeWingerii It’s because he believes it harms the complementarian view that gender roles are to represent Christ and the church. He thinks

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