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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii How do you know Corinth didn't have elders? It was started by Paul, and Paul and Barnabas appointed elders in each church on their first missionary journey (Ac 14...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii How do you know Corinth didn't have elders? It was started by Paul, and Paul and Barnabas appointed elders in ea

Ac 14:23 Ti 1:5 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The process is quite clear, Ron. It doesn't refer to elders though it would be natural for them to be involved. And it isn't controlled by elders, nor the details...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The process is quite clear, Ron. It doesn't refer to elders though it would be natural for them to be involved.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Glad to hear you say this. However, there's a difference between the training acts of discipline for a person who submits to the process and the "turning over to ...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Glad to hear you say this. However, there's a difference between the training acts of discipline for a person wh

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-30

@SnapThatGinger @TerranWilliams4 He did say Egalitarians are fellow believers and should be treated as such, and then told us to repent of “the teaching” and advised those who agree with Mike to leave their egalitarian churches “loudly” and take othe...

@SnapThatGinger @TerranWilliams4 He did say Egalitarians are fellow believers and should be treated as such, and then told us to repent of “the teaching” and advised those who agree with Mike to leave

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@SnapThatGinger @TerranWilliams4 Let me guess…are you complementarian?

@SnapThatGinger @TerranWilliams4 Let me guess…are you complementarian?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii But contrary to the example you gave, the community is not responsible for dealing with the kidnapper; the police are. Jesus does not mention the elders (unless ...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii But contrary to the example you gave, the community is not responsible for dealing with the kidnapper; the polic

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The idea that it is the elders who mete out disciplinary action for unrepentant believers bypasses the instruction of Jesus in Matt 18 which says it is the 2 or 3...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii The idea that it is the elders who mete out disciplinary action for unrepentant believers bypasses the instructi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does the Bible ever speak of guarding Jesus’ table? Jesus even commanded Judas to partake and Jesus said he was a devil. Why didn't Jesus protect Judas? Yo...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does the Bible ever speak of guarding Jesus’ table? Jesus even commanded Judas to partake and Jesus said h

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does scripture say that elders are to rule? Oversight, guidance, serving the body by teaching and preaching, gently correcting and guiding are not ruling. R...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Where does scripture say that elders are to rule? Oversight, guidance, serving the body by teaching and preachin

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii My goodness. Paul never tells the elders that they are to judge who can take communion. The only exception would be if someone is kicked out of...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii My goodness. Paul never tells the elders that they are to judge who can take communion. The o

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii BTW, that was Jesus continuing to subject Himself to His parents when Jesus was a child. Later in Mk 3:20-21,31-35, Jesus is teaching in a house...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii BTW, that was Jesus continuing to subject Himself to His parents when Jesus was a child. Later

Mk 3:20-21 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii You are making an assumption. How do you know I was bringing a public allegation against an elder?? I was addressing a refusal of many to partic...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii You are making an assumption. How do you know I was bringing a public allegation against an eld

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii What should I have apologized for? For encouraging believers to take communion when I saw them refusing it? You are willing to condemn me withou...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii What should I have apologized for? For encouraging believers to take communion when I saw them

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I was encouraging people to take communion as this was a pastors conference. I learned later that their local pastors were telling some that they...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I was encouraging people to take communion as this was a pastors conference. I learned later th

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I am. And this is no laughing matter. I was a speaker at a conference in India and during communion, the Spirit compelled me to speak up and say...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @LostLittleStars @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I am. And this is no laughing matter. I was a speaker at a conference in India and during comm

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii @copper_teal As for your comment about his “9 member

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii @copper_teal As for your comment about his “9 member godhead” teaching which is obviously false, he retracted it and hasn’t taught it since. https://t.co/9fMLxNkC2s

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii @copper_teal I have been to one of Hinn’s crusades. He preaches the true gospel and does it very clearly. He did that better than my pastor at my church at the time did. He does it regularly when I have never heard Osteen d...

@CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii @copper_teal I have been to one of Hinn’s crusades. He preaches the true gospel and does it very clearly. He did that better than my pastor at my church at the time did. He

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-29

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals You are presuming mal

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals You are presuming male headship means male primacy, that males must be the only ones who speak. Except that is not what Paul is intending. B

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals So your view is Paul

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals So your view is Paul says some can prophesy and some cannot? That if a woman prophet stood up (which we both know existed in both old and new

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @EH_Esq @JayMallow3 You certainly are trying hard, Tom. I don't fault you for that. But this interpretation doesn't work because Paul is not advocating for any head covering tradition. Perhaps you can explain how it is shameful for a man...

@ymmotrojam @EH_Esq @JayMallow3 You certainly are trying hard, Tom. I don't fault you for that. But this interpretation doesn't work because Paul is not advocating for any head covering tradition. Pe

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The following is from Hamilton's article in Priscilla Papers Vol 17, 14-15: "Christian scholars have struggled to determine exactly where Paul was quoting others’ words. An important indicat...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The following is from Hamilton's article in Priscilla Papers Vol 17, 14-15: "Christian scholars have struggled to determine exactly where Pa

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, that’s not the option the text gives for the married women (given your view that these are the words of Paul). Why can the single women ask the elders but the married ones have to go home and ask their husbands? ...

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, that’s not the option the text gives for the married women (given your view that these are the words of Paul). Why can the single women ask the elders but the mar

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The disjunctive "or" in Paul's letters is multifunctional and context-dependent. In 1Co 14:36, Paul uses "or" in rhetorical questions to challenge the Corinthian believers, which I assert is ...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The disjunctive "or" in Paul's letters is multifunctional and context-dependent. In 1Co 14:36, Paul uses "or" in rhetorical questions to chal

1Co 14:36 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Paul is quoting a full quote from the Corinthians as he told the Corinthians that God is not a God of confusion. Then he shows the confusion. And then he rebukes the two verses and the pridef...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Paul is quoting a full quote from the Corinthians as he told the Corinthians that God is not a God of confusion. Then he shows the confusion.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is a responsibility for the elders, but it is oversight, not control. Raising up those who are able to correctly discern is the desired outcome, not being the one doing everything as a ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is a responsibility for the elders, but it is oversight, not control. Raising up those who are able to correctly discern is the desired

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals The Bereans weren't j

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals The Bereans weren't just the elders, but a characterization of the kind of people they were⎯they tested prophecy which was encouraged by Paul

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The entirety of v34 a

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals The entirety of v34 and 35 are part of the quote. Its a much larger portion of text than Paul typically quoted earlier. These verses clearly

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals As believers, they are all qualified to learn discernment and should judge and since the Holy Spirit is with all believers, they should be treated as those who can have valid response to a te...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals As believers, they are all qualified to learn discernment and should judge and since the Holy Spirit is with all believers, they should be tr

1Co 11:13 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is an authority to serve the body by teaching, but it is not a hierarchy of authority over the body, but an authority of service. The elders are at the bottom⎯serving and pouring out th...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals There is an authority to serve the body by teaching, but it is not a hierarchy of authority over the body, but an authority of service. The e

Matt 18:15-20 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Reading gender roles into this text illegitimately forces your complementarian bias onto Paul's intent and misses how it completely contradicts everything Paul has been saying in chapter 14 l...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Reading gender roles into this text illegitimately forces your complementarian bias onto Paul's intent and misses how it completely contradic

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, decency and order⎯all participating, but not all at the same time. Not the order that recognizes some people as more important than others! That would be doing the same thing that Paul c...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, decency and order⎯all participating, but not all at the same time. Not the order that recognizes some people as more important than othe

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals How is Paul speaking to the women when he addresses them in the third person plural in vs34-35 and the "you" in vs36 is second person plural? Where were women ever stated as saying that they...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals How is Paul speaking to the women when he addresses them in the third person plural in vs34-35 and the "you" in vs36 is second person plural?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, teaching and cor

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, teaching and correcting false doctrine is an important function of the elders. But testing and discerning are meant for all believers, n

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals This also applies to prophecies made by even Paul himself. The Bereans checked what Paul said against prior revelation and were commended for it. And Paul said that even if he or an angel wer...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals This also applies to prophecies made by even Paul himself. The Bereans checked what Paul said against prior revelation and were commended for

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals These are two very different situations and contexts. There is no discrimination whatsoever in 1Co 11:33-34 ⎯ in fact, it is because of discriminatory behaviour that Paul is correcting them. ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals These are two very different situations and contexts. There is no discrimination whatsoever in 1Co 11:33-34 ⎯ in fact, it is because of discr

1Co 11:33-34 1Co 14:34-35 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Weighing prophecy is

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Weighing prophecy is not a function solely for the elders. https://t.co/jXLr47xY5c

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals "Administration of prophecy"? Where are you getting this from? What does that even mean? Paul's concern is simply that if someone is prophecying and another has a prophecy, the first should ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals "Administration of prophecy"? Where are you getting this from? What does that even mean? Paul's concern is simply that if someone is prophec

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals I'm not sure how you got "order" out of this and are then using this to suggest that it is not appropriate for a woman to speak or ask questions⎯that would be a completely different sort of t...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals I'm not sure how you got "order" out of this and are then using this to suggest that it is not appropriate for a woman to speak or ask questi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals “Have two or three prophets speak, and have the others pass judgment.” (1Co 14:29) There is nothing here stating that it is the "teacher's job" to pass judgment on prophecy. At minimum, the ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals “Have two or three prophets speak, and have the others pass judgment.” (1Co 14:29) There is nothing here stating that it is the "teacher's j

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, but 1Co 14:34-35

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, but 1Co 14:34-35 is so clearly contradictory that with the full quote it stands in stark contrast to what Paul wrote earlier. It doesn’t

1Co 14:34-35 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Paul uses the phrase “Now concerning” to transition topics or to respond to a question they asked. In the case of 1Co 14:34-35, there is no question and Paul is not changing topics, so why is...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Paul uses the phrase “Now concerning” to transition topics or to respond to a question they asked. In the case of 1Co 14:34-35, there is no q

1Co 14:34-35 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

Here’s a complementarian stating that my explanation for 1Co 14:34-35 is the *perfect solution* for a Biblically faithful egalitarian. ❤️ (Except I’m not looking to suck out Paul’s authority; on the contrary, Paul uses his authority to stop those si...

Here’s a complementarian stating that my explanation for 1Co 14:34-35 is the *perfect solution* for a Biblically faithful egalitarian. ❤️ (Except I’m not looking to suck out Paul’s authority; on the

1Co 14:34-35 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, how are single women, widows, women with unbelieving husbands and women with husbands that know less than them to learn? All women are not allowed to ask questions. Therefore, all the ...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, how are single women, widows, women with unbelieving husbands and women with husbands that know less than them to learn? All women are

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals I appreciate this admission, but I assure you⎯there is no "sucking" of apostolic authority at all! Paul is giving the full context of what the Corinthians wrote. How could he include less an...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals I appreciate this admission, but I assure you⎯there is no "sucking" of apostolic authority at all! Paul is giving the full context of what t

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You are saying that Paul doesn't want the women to contribute to the learning of the community: 14:1 - "Pursue love, yet earnestly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You are saying that Paul doesn't want the women to contribute to the learning of the community: 14:1 - "Pursue love, yet earnestly desire spi

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Sounds like you are mixing up 1 Tim 3:2 w

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Sounds like you are mixing up 1 Tim 3:2 with 1 Cor 14:35…

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Nice try. A monogamous marriage consisting of one man and one woman is what Paul is referring to, and that explicitly excludes same sex marriage. But it doesn't exclude the unmarried or the single...or women. P...

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Nice try. A monogamous marriage consisting of one man and one woman is what Paul is referring to, and that explicitly excludes same sex marriage. But it doesn't

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So⎯again, you said "all" can learn includes women, right? But then v35 says, "if [the women] desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home." Which is it, Tom? Can all le...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So⎯again, you said "all" can learn includes women, right? But then v35 says, "if [the women] desire to learn anything, let them ask their ow

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So basically... what

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So basically... what you are CURRENTLY doing is disobeying your own version of Paul's command.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-28

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But you have to use the language of v35, and that says "if they (the women) desire to learn ANYTHING, let them ask their husbands at home" That is, in your view... ❌Paul doesn't tell them to...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But you have to use the language of v35, and that says "if they (the women) desire to learn ANYTHING, let them ask their husbands at home" T

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