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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-23

@kgaugelo_N @SupermomShayla @biblemarriages While polygamy was tolerated in the Old Testament, it was not expressly commanded. There is a difference. God did put limits on kings (which they didn’t follow and He still tolerated): “And he shall not ac...

@kgaugelo_N @SupermomShayla @biblemarriages While polygamy was tolerated in the Old Testament, it was not expressly commanded. There is a difference. God did put limits on kings (which they didn’t fo

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-23

@RyanMessano Paul compares all believers to Eve. Guess what? Deception can affec

@RyanMessano Paul compares all believers to Eve. Guess what? Deception can affect anyone. “But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sin

2Co 11:3 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii That's correct, both women and men are very convinced that only men can lead in church⎯for sure for the 2 hours church is on. Then I find the same women out corre...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii That's correct, both women and men are very convinced that only men can lead in church⎯for sure for the 2 hours

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeW

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii (Says the man). Hey, Ron, what would happen perchance if your wife disagreed with you and became an egalitarian

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@RyanMessano Huh? Lukewarm? Because I disagree with you on the basis of scripture itself? A godly women who speaks true doctrine, teaches it or pastors is not in rebellion to God. You cannot make up prohibitions. Prohibiting things that God doesn't p...

@RyanMessano Huh? Lukewarm? Because I disagree with you on the basis of scripture itself? A godly women who speaks true doctrine, teaches it or pastors is not in rebellion to God. You cannot make up p

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Do you want to follow doctrines of demons or what the Bible actually means?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Ok, let me rephrase, you are the one who believes the Bible is forbidding, just like the Pharisees and the Jewish leaders in the time of Jesus who...

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Ok, let me rephrase, you are the one who believes the Bible is forbidding, just like the Pharise

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii You are the one doing the forbidding. Did you know that there is a scripture about those who for

1Ti 4:1-3 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @Happy_AHeathen @JollyStine @pastherandie @

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @Happy_AHeathen @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii So the serious error that Paul left Timothy behind to fix was that godly women were teaching cor

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @Happy_AHeathen @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii But in the one case, he is saying the opposite of what you said, and in the other case he is dealing with false teaching, not telling anyone to st...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @Happy_AHeathen @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii But in the one case, he is saying the opposite of what you said, and in the other case he is dea

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii But we both believe that the Bible is inspired, right? In every word and even the grammar? I am not throwing out any part of it. Everything in com...

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii But we both believe that the Bible is inspired, right? In every word and even the grammar? I am

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @

@ymmotrojam @Happy_AHeathen @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii You are framing this as a fundamental disagreement over the Bible? Wow, Tom. That certainly turn

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@Aliphaire @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom is misrepresenting Paul’s words. Paul actually quoted those who though like Tom and said the following: "What? came the word of God out from you? ...

@Aliphaire @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom is misrepresenting Paul’s words. Paul actually quoted those who though like Tom and said the foll

1Co 14:36 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom, I’ll go to the church without leaders who believe that they as men are the only ones who the word came to and the only ones who the word comes forth from. I...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom, I’ll go to the church without leaders who believe that they as men are the only ones who the word came to a

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-22

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I just read "Hard Sayings of the Bible," by Walter C. Kaiser Jr, Peter H Davids, FF Bruce, Manfred T. Brauch from 1996. The part on 1Co 14:34-35 does not propose...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii I just read "Hard Sayings of the Bible," by Walter C. Kaiser Jr, Peter H Davids, FF Bruce, Manfred T. Brauch fro

1Co 14:34-35 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@ronhenzel Ron, the verb authentein is rare showing up something like 8 times in

@ronhenzel Ron, the verb authentein is rare showing up something like 8 times in antiquity. How can you say it is “hardly rare”? Are you serious?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@ronhenzel This is all fine and dandy, Ron. But to understand what Paul means an

@ronhenzel This is all fine and dandy, Ron. But to understand what Paul means and who 'a woman' and 'a man' refers to, and what Paul intends by choosing such a rare word, authentein, we have to look t

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@jonedwardcroft The Bible should be understandable to all. But we need to be able to read in context. Nature is nature, it is what we can readily observe by just observing. Culture is everything that we do to change nature, like cutting hair. The IS...

@jonedwardcroft The Bible should be understandable to all. But we need to be able to read in context. Nature is nature, it is what we can readily observe by just observing. Culture is everything that

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@jonedwardcroft It’s an argument that takes the text seriously. The idea that me

@jonedwardcroft It’s an argument that takes the text seriously. The idea that men’s hair must be shorter than their wives’ or only the women must cover their heads sounds like the cultural argument. N

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeW

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii No, they are there to teach us something. No sharpie required. The fact that Paul is refuting what these Judiaze

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@MariusM38610501 Everything flows from the start of Paul’s argument. He commends the Corinthians for following the traditions he has conveyed to them. In this case, the tradition to not cover their heads was in view. However, there was some problems ...

@MariusM38610501 Everything flows from the start of Paul’s argument. He commends the Corinthians for following the traditions he has conveyed to them. In this case, the tradition to not cover their he

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@russ_hjelm And it’s crazy too as Paul is referring to nature, something we can all check. We can all see that hair on our arms stops growing at a certain length. The same for eyebrows. But on the scalp, it doesn’t stop. And there’s no difference her...

@russ_hjelm And it’s crazy too as Paul is referring to nature, something we can all check. We can all see that hair on our arms stops growing at a certain length. The same for eyebrows. But on the sca

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@lunarCelerity Here are a few reasons. In Greek, word ordering isn’t the same as in English. There is no boldface so by putting a word first you emphasize it like bolding. Most translators are men and they come to the text with a bias towards men and...

@lunarCelerity Here are a few reasons. In Greek, word ordering isn’t the same as in English. There is no boldface so by putting a word first you emphasize it like bolding. Most translators are men and

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii You said it was dishonouring to say Paul was quoting from the Corinthians (well, likely the Judiazers who infiltrated them like the church at Galatia). How is tha...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii You said it was dishonouring to say Paul was quoting from the Corinthians (well, likely the Judiazers who infilt

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@ortrails This isn’t about what happens to some men as if it was about losing ou

@ortrails This isn’t about what happens to some men as if it was about losing our hair covering then Paul would be advocating for the *men* to cover their bald heads. Here’s what this passage means. h

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

Thanks to everyone who voted on my poll on 1Co 11:14-15! Most rightly recognized that nature doesn’t teach us that there is any difference between the head hair on a boy and a girl. So what is Paul saying? This verse has a translation issue. Let’s l...

Thanks to everyone who voted on my poll on 1Co 11:14-15! Most rightly recognized that nature doesn’t teach us that there is any difference between the head hair on a boy and a girl. So what is Paul s

1Co 11:14-15 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii You know that Paul is quoting from the Corinthians elsewhere too, right? It’s dishonouring to the Holy Spirit for Paul to quote them and to correct them? Why are ...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii You know that Paul is quoting from the Corinthians elsewhere too, right? It’s dishonouring to the Holy Spirit fo

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@JollyStine @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii The vi

@JollyStine @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii The view that Paul is silencing unruly women in all the churches doesn’t make sense of the details in these verses. The only v

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Wow, Ron, you think everyone always agrees? So you agree with all complementarians? Mike Winger thinks women can be deacons. About 1Co 14:34-45. Philip Payne thinks these vers...

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @MikeWingerii Wow, Ron, you think everyone always agrees? So you agree with all complementarians? Mike Winger thinks women can be deacons.

1Co 14:34-45 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@ferdnk @MikeWingerii @JollyStine What, you think he was refuting the custom of

@ferdnk @MikeWingerii @JollyStine What, you think he was refuting the custom of contentiousness? He had to tell the Corinthians that all the churches don't have the custom of contentiousness? Very

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@gzulbaran10 @ronhenzel Responding to Ron's points: Paul specifically points to deception and the time order of creation. Because he mentions Eve, "the childbearing" is a reference to the seed of the woman. Paul is extending the same grace to the de...

@gzulbaran10 @ronhenzel Responding to Ron's points: Paul specifically points to deception and the time order of creation. Because he mentions Eve, "the childbearing" is a reference to the seed of the

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@ymmotrojam @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom, you are putting artificial constraints on the text. Why does Paul have to give women permission separately when his instructions are meant for all? "For you can ALL proph...

@ymmotrojam @JollyStine @pastherandie @ronhenzel @peace_got @MikeWingerii Tom, you are putting artificial constraints on the text. Why does Paul have to give women permission separately when his instr

1Co 14:31 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@John11428000 @MikeWingerii It would seem that Mike is pressing his conscience o

@John11428000 @MikeWingerii It would seem that Mike is pressing his conscience on others. If he truly believes it is secondary, he needs to learn to tolerate it as a secondary difference even if he th

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@gzulbaran10 @ronhenzel Yes, “a woman… the woman”—and in 1Ti 2:11-15, we have “a woman… the woman” with the details that she is deceived and teaching heresy and her husband is not deceived and being silent because of Paul’s connection with Adam and E...

@gzulbaran10 @ronhenzel Yes, “a woman… the woman”—and in 1Ti 2:11-15, we have “a woman… the woman” with the details that she is deceived and teaching heresy and her husband is not deceived and being s

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel What purpose is Paul conveying to Timothy by waxing spiritual about the singular/plural nature of the church? This is a personal and somewhat urgent instruction letter to Timothy due to his concern about the false teaching an...

@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel What purpose is Paul conveying to Timothy by waxing spiritual about the singular/plural nature of the church? This is a personal and somewhat urgent instruction letter to Timo

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel Why then does Paul choose such a rare verb like authent

@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel Why then does Paul choose such a rare verb like authentein when he simply means authority?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@NicolasGold1 I should have made that an option. But as children, what does nat

@NicolasGold1 I should have made that an option. But as children, what does nature teach you? Nature teaches that arm hair and eyebrows stop growing at a specific length but hair on the scalp continu

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-21

@ronhenzel In isolation, it is generic. In the context of v14 where you have the noun repeated with the article, no you have a possibility it is specific. You have to ask questions like, “Is it referring to Eve or someone else? Why did Paul shift fro...

@ronhenzel In isolation, it is generic. In the context of v14 where you have the noun repeated with the article, no you have a possibility it is specific. You have to ask questions like, “Is it referr

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@ronhenzel That’s not how this works, Ron. You are just appealing to authority as if you or Wallace, despite all the training in Greek and grammar, are someone completely infallible and never make mistakes. Generic nouns are not unique to Greek. The...

@ronhenzel That’s not how this works, Ron. You are just appealing to authority as if you or Wallace, despite all the training in Greek and grammar, are someone completely infallible and never make mis

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Ron, this is not a defeater of my assertion that “the woman” is an anaphoric reference to “a woman.” Without v14 and the article, we would have more reason to consider vs11-12 ...

@ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Ron, this is not a defeater of my assertion that “the woman” is an anaphoric reference to “a woman.” Without v14 and the artic

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@ronhenzel Yeah, so I really do love Wallace, but it doesn’t mean all his conclusions are right. “A woman” is generic until we hit v14 where we clearly see the anaphoric use of the article. There’s nothing in Wallace’s Greek Grammar Beyond the Basic...

@ronhenzel Yeah, so I really do love Wallace, but it doesn’t mean all his conclusions are right. “A woman” is generic until we hit v14 where we clearly see the anaphoric use of the article. There’s n

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@StevenMKestner In order to forbid something, scripture has to be unequivocal. Taken literally, the requirement is married with more than one child. Even Paul and Timothy don’t meet this…even Jesus couldn’t be an elder in His own church! The require...

@StevenMKestner In order to forbid something, scripture has to be unequivocal. Taken literally, the requirement is married with more than one child. Even Paul and Timothy don’t meet this…even Jesus co

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@StevenMKestner If they have the requisite character, able to teach, are sound i

@StevenMKestner If they have the requisite character, able to teach, are sound in the faith and are otherwise not disqualified, and they have the desire, then yes. Scripture does not forbid someone f

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@carol66944 Interesting proposition. Where is the “declarative infinitive” discu

@carol66944 Interesting proposition. Where is the “declarative infinitive” discussed in Wallace’s “Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics”?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@ScottCross_8 @ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii What Ron said is disingenuous. He knows that this has nothing to do with beginner Greek. I can even show Dr Wallace saying that the article is not required to poi...

@ScottCross_8 @ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii What Ron said is disingenuous. He knows that this has nothing to do with beginner Greek. I can even show Dr Wall

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Your s

@ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Your statement that I’m making a beginner Greek mistake is disingenuous. You should take it back, Ron, because I know that you

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii From Dr. Wallace in Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics: “Most individualizing articles will be anaphoric in a very broad sense. That is, they will be used to point out something t...

@ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii From Dr. Wallace in Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics: “Most individualizing articles will be anaphoric in a very broad sense. T

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Ron, y

@ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Ron, you *absolutely know* that what I’m explaining works. This has nothing to do with “beginner Greek” because the same idea

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@Torncurtainorg @ScottCross_8 @JollyStine @DustyMayT @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii In addition to Scott's question, my question is why the physical aspect of protection has anything to do with leadership in church. Women have the instinc...

@Torncurtainorg @ScottCross_8 @JollyStine @DustyMayT @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii In addition to Scott's question, my question is why the physical aspect of protection has anything to do

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-20

@Torncurtainorg @DustyMayT @Crystalisives @JollyStine @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii My former church went to this as the last stage before becoming egalitarian. The trigger was when the senior pastor left and the associate, a female, wanted to be consi...

@Torncurtainorg @DustyMayT @Crystalisives @JollyStine @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii My former church went to this as the last stage before becoming egalitarian. The trigger was when the senior pastor le

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