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Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

Skeptics like Bart Ehrman, Richard Carrier, and Robert Price use Apollonius of Tyana as their best example of a dying-and-rising god figure who allegedly parallels Jesus, in order to argue either that Jesus is mythical or that the gospel narrative is a generic literary genre rather than historical truth.

mythicism apologetics Apollonius of Tyana
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

Ehrman opens his classes by describing Apollonius in language deliberately crafted to sound like Jesus — 'divine birth', 'son of God', 'miracles', 'aroused opposition', 'ascended to heaven' — then reveals he was describing Apollonius, creating a psychological shock designed to undermine students' faith before they can evaluate the claim.

critical thinking apologetics Apollonius of Tyana
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

The only detailed source for Apollonius is Philostratus, writing around 215–225 AD — approximately 125 years after Apollonius's death. Philostratus himself expresses uncertainty about details, contradicts himself (e.g., says Apollonius had incredible memory at 100, then says he doesn't know how old he was when he died), and was commissioned by Empress Julia Domna to promote Apollonius worship in Rome.

historical reliability apologetics Apollonius of Tyana
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

The Life of Apollonius is an enormous text (~15 hours of reading). Its sheer length makes cherry-picking parallels easy — you could find parallels to Paul, Pythagoras, George Bush, or anyone. The vast majority of the book describes Apollonius traveling beyond the Roman world to India, meeting kings and Brahmins, with content wildly unlike the Gospels.

critical thinking apologetics Apollonius of Tyana
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

Unlike the Gospels, which are classified as ancient biography (bios), the Life of Apollonius is likely a novel or hagiographic fiction. It includes fire-breathing dragons on every hill in India, fish-cows, hobgoblins, and other fantastical content not treated as miraculous but as straightforward description of faraway places.

apologetics Apollonius of Tyana genre
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

The Life of Apollonius explicitly names his father on page 11 of the text. There is no virgin birth. His mother has a dream telling her to go to a meadow, swans startle her into premature labor, and a lightning bolt curves upward at his birth — none of these constitute a virgin birth parallel. Even Bart Ehrman publicly agrees there are no parallels to the virgin birth of Jesus.

apologetics Apollonius of Tyana virgin birth
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

The 'visitor from heaven' to Apollonius's mother is Proteus — a shape-shifting pagan deity who lives near the mouth of the Nile ('the old man of the sea') — who tells her the child will be a version of himself. This is categorically different from Gabriel's announcement to Mary, who declared she would bear the Son of God Almighty.

apologetics Apollonius of Tyana annunciation
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

Ehrman claims Apollonius engaged in an 'itinerant preaching ministry' like Jesus, but shortly after leaving home Apollonius took a five-year vow of silence, communicating only with head gestures. He did not primarily preach; he traveled meeting famous people and engaged in philosophical dialogues. This is not a parallel to Jesus's preaching ministry.

apologetics Apollonius of Tyana preaching ministry
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

Calling Apollonius a 'son of God' in a pagan Greco-Roman sense (some divine energy or lower-case god quality) is fundamentally different from Jesus being declared Son of God in the Jewish context, where it meant equality with God (John 5). The New Testament is a Jewish document, not a pagan one, and conflating Jewish and pagan divine-sonship language muddies the comparison.

Jewish context Christology apologetics
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

The healings attributed to Apollonius are based on his superior insight and knowledge — massage therapy for a dislocated hip, carrying a rabbit around a laboring woman, eating owl eggs to prevent a child from wanting wine. These are presented as natural knowledge, not divine miraculous power. This is not parallel to Jesus commanding 'Lazarus, come forth' or 'stretch out your hand.'

apologetics Apollonius of Tyana healing miracles
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

Apollonius's two main 'exorcism' stories involve (1) handing a woman a pre-written threatening letter addressed to the possessing spirit — the spirit stays, just agrees not to harm the boy — and (2) pointing out a disguised demon (a blind beggar) at Ephesus during a plague and having the crowd stone him to death, revealing a monster underneath. Neither constitutes casting out a demon by spiritual authority as Jesus did.

apologetics Apollonius of Tyana exorcism
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

The single raising-the-dead story in the Life of Apollonius (book 4, ch. 45) is immediately qualified — Philostratus himself says he doesn't know if the woman was really dead (steam rising from her face in the rain suggests she may have been breathing) or if Apollonius actually raised her. This is not comparable to the bodily resurrection of Christ.

resurrection apologetics Apollonius of Tyana
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

Ehrman says Apollonius 'aroused opposition among ruling authorities of Rome and was put on trial' — but he was simply acquitted and released. Ehrman's phrase 'they could not kill his soul' is rhetorically misleading; no one tried to kill him, no one succeeded, and his body was not executed. A man being tried and acquitted is not parallel to Jesus being crucified.

apologetics Apollonius of Tyana trial
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

Philostratus records four possible accounts of what happened to Apollonius at the end of his life: (1) no one saw him die because he deliberately sent Damus away, (2) he died in Ephesus tended by two maidservants, (3) he walked into the temple of Athena at Lindus and disappeared, (4) he walked into a Cretan temple at night, the dogs fawned on him, he loosened his bonds, and a chorus of maidens sang 'hasten to heaven.' None of these accounts is a death and resurrection.

resurrection ascension apologetics
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

The single post-mortem appearance of Apollonius is to one unnamed young skeptic who sees him in a semi-waking state while others present see nothing. The purpose is to prove souls are immortal in general, not to validate Apollonius's own resurrection. By contrast, Jesus appeared bodily to multiple named witnesses including those who had not previously believed, and they ate and drank with him.

apologetics Apollonius of Tyana post-mortem appearance
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

Apollonius was born around 15 AD — meaning when Jesus was crucified, Apollonius was still a young man. His public career began after Jesus's ministry and death. More critically, all New Testament documents were written within the first century AD, within the lifetimes of eyewitnesses, while Philostratus wrote 125+ years after Apollonius died. If any borrowing occurred, Philostratus likely borrowed from Christian categories.

apologetics Apollonius of Tyana chronology
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

The primary literary parallel Philostratus is drawing is between Apollonius and Pythagoras, not Jesus. He explicitly says Apollonius 'performed the same feat as Pythagoras' at Ephesus. Apollonius even claims to be a reincarnation of Euphorbus, a fighter at the Battle of Troy. Any apparent parallels to Jesus are incidental or deliberate anti-Christian swipes by Philostratus.

apologetics Apollonius of Tyana Pythagoras
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

Apollonius: not from eyewitnesses; authored as paid commission; written 125+ years after the fact; probably a novel not biography; parallels Pythagoras not Jesus; opposed animal sacrifice (Jesus was the sacrifice); offered no salvation (Jesus was salvation); healed by skill and wisdom (Jesus by miraculous power); claimed reincarnation of Euphorbus (Jesus is God incarnate); was a vegetarian (Jesus ate meat); did not die and rise bodily.

Christology apologetics Apollonius of Tyana
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

Finding surface parallels between two stories does not establish literary dependence or undermine historicity. The correct standard is whether the parallels are specific, numerous, and converge — not whether a single generic similarity can be identified in a massive text. The fact that Apollonius of Tyana is skeptics' 'best example' and still fails means the whole category of argument is weak.

critical thinking apologetics epistemology
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

When skeptics or scholars cite evidence you've never encountered (like Apollonius of Tyana) using academic language and a confident tone, the response should not be to abandon faith but to demand that the argument be explained clearly and rationally enough to evaluate. Abandoning faith because a smart person asserts you should is not rational — the reasons themselves must be examined.

critical thinking apologetics epistemology
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

The Gospels are recognized in New Testament scholarship as ancient biography (bios), a genre focused on carefully portraying a real person's life and character. The Life of Apollonius does not meet this standard — it is more likely a literary novel meant to inspire devotion, as evidenced by its fantastical content, internal contradictions, and the explicit political agenda behind its commissioning.

apologetics Apollonius of Tyana genre
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-28

When multiple critics produce hours of content attacking your views in a short time, the appropriate response is to welcome it (it means your content is reaching skeptics), acknowledge you cannot respond immediately to everything, remain open to being wrong on specific points, and maintain confidence that Christianity as a whole is true and withstands scrutiny.

apologetics pastoral responding to critics
Mike Winger idea 2019-02-27

Jerusalem location - worst place to fabricate the empty tomb legend

Why the location itself argues for historicity

Apollonius of Tyana Geography as evidence
Mike Winger idea 2019-06-19

Apollonius of Tyana, the closest post-Jesus parallel, did not believe in resurrection and has only one account of an after-death appearance — in a dream to one disciple

Examining the post-Jesus pagan parallel most cited by mythicists

resurrection Apollonius of Tyana historicity of Jesus
Mike Winger idea 2019-06-19

Mythicists must composite multiple figures (Dionysus, Horus, Asclepius, Apollonius, Hercules) to approximate Jesus — historians reject this method

Exposing the composite methodology of Jesus-myth parallels

Apollonius of Tyana Jesus mythicism historicity of Jesus