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“Here we see clearly that Jacob is chosen unconditionally before they were born. Paul is very precise to include that it is not ‘because of works’. So your hypothesis that God chose the Israelites (Ja

Mark, Honestly, I didn’t know whether to laugh or to cry over your reply…that wasn’t the only point of agreement we had. Here are our quotes side by side: ————- Mark – “Yes the Edomites were ‘ha

“Also the doctrine of predestination (unconditional) also emphasises God’s grace. Nothing we do or can do will save us. It is merely according to God’s pleasure and will that some are saved. [Rom 9:

Mark, Now we see why you write things like: “They want to hold onto God working, but equally hold onto autonomous free will.” and then Cheryl has to explain with: “The classical Arminian positi

“I’m some what in agreement with you about interpretation. Thus a good proper solid exegesis is required. It is not simply good enough to say…’well that doesn’t apply ot us anymore’, nor is it excepta

“See to me the test is in the scriptures, not in philosophical reasoning!” Mark, I understand what you’re getting at, but I think we are allowed to use reason. (Isa.1:18) Let’s consider II Peter 3