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Schreiner's objection 2: Paul never teaches salvation comes through the Incarnation

ALL The Debates Over 1 Tim 2_11-15: Women in Ministry part 12 (it took me a year to make this) 10:39:27 – 10:43:02

Mike addresses the objection that Paul doesn't elsewhere connect salvation to the birth of Christ.

Schreiner and Gordon Fee object that the NT never says salvation comes through the Incarnation — it comes through Christ's death and resurrection. The word teknogonia emphasizes the birthing process, not the results of Christ's life and work. Mike rebuts: (1) The Incarnation is not the whole story of salvation but is an essential part — without the birth, there is no death and resurrection; (2) Paul can refer to one part of the salvation event to invoke the whole; (3) More importantly, dia can be read as 'attendant circumstances' rather than 'instrumental cause' — the same reading Schreiner himself uses for his own View 4. If Schreiner can use attendant-circumstances dia for his interpretation, he cannot deny it to the Messianic view. George Knight says the construction sozo + dia means salvation comes 'through but not by' childbearing.

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