Mark

Kay,

Of course their is a difference. But which does the Bible teach? Maybe you can show me where the Bible teaches prevenient grace? Maybe you can explain how the atonement doesn’t actually atone but only makes us ‘savable’ until we add the rest?

I’m trying to stick to the Bible accurately. That is all.

TL,

I appreciate your call for us all to be in continual repentance- i couldn’t agree more. But maybe you can show me if the Cannanites in the conquering were given that opportunity to repent and enter covenant with Yahweh? Like it or not, God has always chosen some and not others, both in regards to salvation and in regards to earthly purpose.

Also Cheryl has completely failed to deal with the grammar of 2 Tim 2:25 which shows that repentance is a gift of God. Repentance is something that is given by God. Maybe you would like to deal with it instead? Or perhaps you can show me passages which reveal that God has enabled all to repent and believe, but it’s their free-will that stops them.

Cheryl,

Final point, we have been discussing many of the calvinist ‘proof’ texts, but have yet to face any of the Arminian ones. You can argue against me and that’s fine, but i need you to show me an alternative from the Bible to back up your position.