Cheryl Schatz

Mark, you said:

1 Cor 6:11 says three parallel things, you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified. These are three elements of our total salvation. You have again mixed up the text.

Again a good Romans discussion.

“It is Jesus’ blood that justifies and He freely gives His salvation by His death to all.”

Again No! It is faith which justifies us. This is the historic protestant teaching. But of course Jesus death is tied into that.
Rom 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 5:9 says that we are justified by His blood, so your “No!” answer is again not right.

Romans 5:9 (NASB)
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

You said:

That is why not all are ‘justified’ because not all have ‘faith’. You might say that Jesus atoned for everyone but to say he justified everyone is going to far. That is not biblical teaching. That is universalism.

The teaching of the Bible is that we are justified by His blood. If you don’t want to believe that, then you have left out parts of the Bible that are key to understanding salvation. And no it isn’t universalism because the purchased price that was paid for us that justified us must have the price applied to our account. That is why universalists are wrong and once again when you say that my doctrine is universalism, you show that you understand very little about non-Calvinist doctrine that you should have known before you became a Calvinist.

“Romans 8:5-8 is not about all.”

I’m surprised and then not surprised. I’m surprised because a while back you agreed that the Bible teaches that we as humans because of Adam have a sinful nature. But then when Rom 8 specifically refers to sinful natures (5) you say it doesn’t apply to all. But then I’m not surprised because of your other views on other passages. You just seem to inconsistent.

I am not inconsistent at all. The passage does not say “all” people. How odd that you are willing to take passages that limit the application to some people to mean all people, but the passages that say “all” you want to disregard the universal language. We will get to this when we get to Romans 8, but the key to that passage is to clearly identify those whom Paul has identified. It will be a fun passage to exegete together, don’t you think?