Mark

Cheryl,

Thanks for your apology…it is excepted. I am a bit baffled why you have no interest in dealing with the grammar. I understanad your business, but since these passages are the ‘base point’ for all gender based arguments, i’m surprised you don’t want to dig into them. Is there something in the grammar that you know contradicts your position?

Maybe you or anybody else can show me something from the text then. If Eve blamed the serpent and it was truthful with no element of blame-shifting (not accepting her own responsibilty), then how can you say Adam only blame-shifted. Is not what he said also the truth? Did God give Eve to him. Did not Eve give the fruit to him? So you see the same argument you use for Eve could equally apply to Adam. You could even go as far as God accepting Adam’s blame by the ephatic question God asks of Eve.
BUt of course i reject that Adam did not balme shift. THe grammar shows me this. Likewise i reject that Eve did not blame shift. The grammar also shows me the same thing as Adam.

So this is my problem becasue you are equating something to Adam and not to Eve when nothing in the grammar allows for it. It is only in the precise grammar where we see emphatic expressions ect, which highlight that BOTH did the same thing. Neither of them told a lie per se, but from the grammar we can see that both blame shifted, that is they did not accept responsibility for their own actions aswell.

But it’ not up to me. IF you wish to ignore the grammar that’s your decision. I’m just telling you what’s in the text.

Now about the other passages. How do you know Cheryl, that other biblical passages support your view, when you have failed to deal with the actual passage from which other passages gain their arguments. It seems you are reading backwards. Instead of getting Gen 3 correct and then seeing how other authors apply this text, you are beginning from the other end and making Gen 3 fit into what you believe the other authors are saying. Anyway, i’ll leave it to you. I’ve said my piece and hopefully people realise that you cannot assume something into Gen 3 without looking closely at the grammar itself.