Cheryl Schatz

Mark,

Thanks for your apology…it is excepted.

Great! Thanks for that brotherly love.

I am a bit baffled why you have no interest in dealing with the grammar. I understanad your business, but since these passages are the ‘base point’ for all gender based arguments, i’m surprised you don’t want to dig into them.

There is no value for me in digging into the grammar of the statements of Adam and Eve when we both agree that they were blaming others.

Is there something in the grammar that you know contradicts your position?

Of course not. If there was, I would be eager to discuss it. One of these days you’ll get to know me well enough to know that I never run away from a passage that may prove me wrong. I see it as a win-win situation. If I am corrected, I win. If I am right, I win.

Maybe you or anybody else can show me something from the text then. If Eve blamed the serpent and it was truthful with no element of blame-shifting (not accepting her own responsibilty), then how can you say Adam only blame-shifted.

The issue is not whether they accepted their own responsibility. The issue is whether the one(s) that they blamed was a valid blame accepted by God. Remember that God is the ultimate judge of truth. So no matter what they said with whatever intricate grammar, the judge will be God and how He deals with their claims.

So this is my problem becasue you are equating something to Adam and not to Eve when nothing in the grammar allows for it.

Sigh! Is the problem with me that I can’t get my point across to you? Let me try one more time to see if I can allow you to hear me.

The issue is not with the grammar of the blame that they spoke. The issue has to be resolved with God and His assessment of the truth. God accepted the blame that Eve gave of the serpent. Right? And he make a curse fit for the sentencing brought about by the witnesses and the trial Judge.

Then when Adam did his blame thing, God did not present a judgment call that resulted in a curse or a “Because you did this…” And the words that God gave to Adam were about two failures that God calls Adam to be accountable for. And God does not affirm Adam’s blame so it becomes an “alleged guilt” of others that was found to have no credible evidence thus a dismissal of that case. Thus Adam’s attempt at blaming became “blame-shifting” because God didn’t agree with him.

But it’ not up to me. IF you wish to ignore the grammar that’s your decision.

Since God already made His decision and the judgment has come and gone and the blame has been dealt with, I see no need to re-examine the evidence and I wish to go with the Judge’s judgment instead. I think that is a wise and a valuable use of my time.

Now about the other passages. How do you know Cheryl, that other biblical passages support your view, when you have failed to deal with the actual passage from which other passages gain their arguments. It seems you are reading backwards.

I haven’t failed to deal with the passage at all. I went to the ultimate Judge and the ultimate evidence. Honestly it might be worth your time to start your own blog where you can add a few participles, sprinkle in a few nouns and don’t forget the verbs and bungee jump over a historical present. Maybe you can rustle up some interest there. Here, nyeh, no interest whatsoever and that is case closed.

And just off side for a moment, how’s the birthing process coming along? Any bouncing baby yet?