Lydia

“The questions I still have over egalitarianism are “smaller”.
For instance, with 1 Tim 2, I agree with you that the prohibition of v 12 is related to “the creation order and Eve’s deception”. Often comps however don’t seem to acknowledge how much they are assuming.”

This is the most mistranslated passage! If Eve’s deception is the factor (along with creation order) in not teaching men then why are men allowed to teach anyone since Adam sinned WILLFULLY and on purpose? Makes no sense.

Also, there is NO prohibition in the OT about women teaching men. Why a new legalistic prohibition in the NC?

And why isn’t the Cross and the indwelling Holy Spirit enough
for women when it comes to this so called “inherent deception” problem?

Perhaps we need to understand Ephesus at the time. Also understanding authenteo gives us a real clue as to what Paul was saying. It does not mean “assume authority” or “usurp authority”.

In fact, we know that John Chrysostom wrote later that men are NOT to “autheneto” their wives.

So, we know it is a real bad thing that both men or women could do. Calvin translated it as domineer. As did others. Which is closer to it’s real meaning. They had no problem translating the truer meaning because at that time they did not have to contend with equal women. It never occured to them that women were NOT inferior.

(Creation order as “importance” in God’s kingdom is silly. It would mean cows are more favored than women. Paul might be refering to creation order because the fertility pagan temple worshipers taught that Eve was created first. Since Ephesus had a huge temple of Artemis and this is what they believed, it makes sense in light of “saved through childbearing” as many women died in child birth so Paul was metaphorically saying “saved by the childbearing” as in Christ. It most certainly CANNOT mean that women have a “work” of salvation which is what most comps teach. It is insidious)