Kristen
2011-04-12
Jeremy, you said:
“I don’t see your point with the ‘I do not permit’. Is it that this is Paul’s opinion rather than a rule? Paul gives commands in the first person often. For example, in 1 Corinthians 10:20, he says, ‘but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons.’ ”
No, the issue is not that it is Paul’s opinion rather than the rule. The issue, as I said before, is whether Paul is addressing a specific situation, or making a universal decree. Even in the passage you cite, Paul is speaking of a specific situation. He is talking about Gentile sacrifices, which were common in his day. No believer in the West today is likely to confront this situation. This passage no longer applies directly to us in the US, Canada, Europe, etc, as it applied to them then. We need to find a different way to apply it to ourselves.
You said:
“Paul doesn’t just give these commands for women to a couple churches. In 1 Corinthians 14:33-34, he writes, ‘as in all the churches of the saints. The women are to keep silent in the churches’ So it is all the churches that practice these things.”
When the earliest church fathers quoted 1 Cor 14, they never mentioned the existence of verses 33-34 at all. In the earliest manuscripts we have, these verses appear in two different places in the text. There is a lot of other early textual evidence that these verses were added later by someone else, just as someone probably added Mark 16:9-20 and John 7:53-8:11. There is a lot of textual evidence that women simply were NOT silent in “all the churches” at all. 1 Cor. 14:26 says, “When you come together, each one [gender-inclusive word here] has a hymn, a teaching, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation.” (Emphasis mine.) In any event, you cannot make 1 Cor 14:33-34 parallel to 1 Tim 2:12-15. They simply cannot be shown to be talking about the same thing at all.
To be continued.
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