Dave

Mark, I feel the need to point out some observations. I am happy to be corrected on any or all of them if I have misunderstood you.

*You have come here not to discuss or answer our questions, but to try and show holes in Cheryl’s exegesis.
*You will not offer your own interpretation.
*You take exception to Greg’s comments about the importance of Pauline writings, and yet you ask Cheryl to back up her exegesis from external documents, without which you willl not accept her interpretation.
*You place greater weight on historical church writings than interpreting the grammar that is there in Scripture.
*You develop arguments that rely on suggesting Paul is saying something that he clearly has not said, for example, that the womans salvation is dependant on the other person/s involved in verse 15.

Once again, I am a simple man and if I have misunderstood I am sorry, but is this where you are coming from? I am not trying to be confrontational for the sake of being confrontational, but rather so that we might all know where we stand.

Dave