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Now if the woman’s salvation (her personal salvation from her own sin and restoration into a right relationship with God) is dependent upon what her husband does, how can we possibly reconcile that with the rest of the New Testament. What if she remains in faith and he doesn’t?

Mark,
Yes, it is dependent upon what she and her husband continue to do, but I don’t see the contradiction. Where’s the rub? “What if she remains in faith and he doesn’t?” I can only guess. Since Paul said that she will be saved “if they” remain in faith etc, I think that if her husband did not remain in faith then she might have not been saved because Paul said she would be saved “if they”…

Take your own life for example and i will assume your married. Do you believe that your salvation from sin and hell is conditional upon what your husband/wife (i don’t know what sex you are sorry) does/believes, or is your salvation dependent upon your own faith and trust in the atoneing work of Christ?

I’m female, Mark.
My situation actualy has been similar to the one in the passage but I won’t go into the details.
Do I believe that some may need another to come out of their sin? Absolutely. Can the help affect the salvation of the one who was in sin? Absolutely.

There is a difference between saying a spouse can influence your life/decisions etc and saying that their faith, love, sanctification and sobriety are all required for you to be saved. Can you see the difference?

What’s the difference? Are you saying that what the man had to do in order to help the woman come out of her deception and be saved was not a matter of influence? If what he was to do which was remain in faith etc wasn’t a matter of influence and the like then what was it?

If this hypothetical wife cannot be assured of her salvation unless her husband remains in faith etc, what does that say for us? How can we know we will ever be saved if it is conditional on our spouse?

We cannot say that everyone’s situation will be the same as the one Paul was addressing. We cannot say that everyone’s salvation will be conditional upon their spouse.

This theological position, if we are understanding each other correctly is radically unbiblical and completely undermines personal reconciliation with the Father.

How so? Are you sure?

I’d love to here your response to see if we understand each other. Are you actually proposing that this woman in Ephesus who is false teaching ( in ignorance) will only be saved if both her and her husband remain in faith, love etc… is one person’s salvation really dependent upon someone else’s actions that you have no control over?

I think I am understanding you. Yes, the woman will be saved “if they” continue in faith etc. Yes, a person’s salvation can be dependent upon someone else’s actions. But what are you getting at or asking in the last part of your question which is “that you have no control over”?

If this is what you believe…well let’s cross that bridge if we get to it! Hopefully not. I do not think 1 Tim 2:15 is proposing this, it is a contradiction with the rest of the NT.

lol Let’s cross the bridge, Mark! And can you explain the contradiction. I don’t see it.