Dave

Mark, your quotes do not show anyone saying that the deception was the responsibility of the husband. They show the need for help to get out of deception and show that people believe the husband was in a good position to and that thus far he would appear to have been quiet. We all have a brotherly/sisterly responsibility to help each other live lives free of deception, but no one has said that the husband is responsible for the outcome. I might add that neither has Paul.

Mark, you claim in your two options that in option one we are ignoring the grammar. If you have found a fault with Cheryl’s grammar then please outline it to us. After all, in option two you are adding info that the grammar does not so we do consider grammar important!

Mark, if you insist on talking about kephale when we are not then please respond to my reading of Colossians. No, it is not using kephals between people, though it is between Jesus and people. To steal some of your points, it is important because it was writeen by Paul too, it uses the same word and it provides a strong argument for kephale not meaning authority over, but the “beginning” or “origin of” authority. I might add that in Colossians 2 it does not make sence (even though it is Grudem’s interpretation) to say that Jesus is the authority over all authority. If you take all authority, then there is no authority left to put over it. However, if Paul is saying that Jesus is the origin of all authority, then that makes perfect sense. Perhaps this would be better left to another post? Cheryl have you ever done one on Colossians and the use of kephale?

Having a good holiday Mark? 🙂