Dave

I might just add Mark that I am assuming you are conceding the point about the order of the clauses in 1 Tim 2:15 not making any difference to the meaning. I assume this not because you have conceded the point after overwhelming evidence from me(!) but because your example in Romans 10 appears to be in the same order as the examples I gave that you wanted to discount (I have not checked the Greek though).

I think it helps us believe you are looking for the truth when you tell us you have recognised something as truth. Otherwise it just looks like you have a problem with people not agreeing with you!