Corrie

Cheryl,

I just ordered the DVD and I am looking forward to hearing what you have to say about this issue. The clip on youtube was very good and what I would like to know is how Ware handles the fact that Jesus specifically tells His disciples to ask Him anything and it will be done for them.

I am currently concerned about an article I read on the CBMW site that teaches we will have eternal headship of husbands over their earthly wives in heaven and that women will be eternally and perfectly subordinate to men.  The Bible clearly teaches that there is no marriage in heaven and Jesus illustrates this perfectly when he talks about the woman who had 7 husbands and how NONE of them will be her husband in heaven.

It seems that those who want to lessen the deity of Christ by making Him eternally subordinate and less than the Father are also those who want to use this new doctrine to teach that there is eternal headship/subordination and eternal marriage in heaven. It seems more like Mormon teaching than it does that of orthodox Christianity.

http://www.cbmw.org/Journal/Vol-11-No-1/Relationships-and-Roles-in-the-New-Creation

“Finally, consider that in the new creation, those who were husbands in the former dispensation will, at last, be unencumbered by the flesh. They will be able, as never before, to genuinely love “as Christ also loved the church”. They will, as never before, have the capacity to relate to those they love “in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life”. Consider, moreover, that in the new creation those who were wives in the former dispensation, will have the mind of Christ, “who, although he existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and . . . humbled himself” . They will see in the example of Christ, as never before, the beauty and glory that inheres in gracious, selfless submission. With both man and woman thus perfected and transformed, are we to suppose that the new creation will abandon the order established in God’s original creation? I think not. Rather, such relations will bring to each true joy, and to God, more glory than before.”

So, in Heaven, men will be perfect in their authority over women and women will be eternally subordinate and HUMBLED and eternal bond-slaves to those men.

And I thought that we all- both male and female- were to possess the mind of Christ that is outlined in Philipians 2?

Cheryl, I think you are correct when you say they are redefining the Trinity in order to keep women in their places.  To me, the Trinity is their Trojan Horse and this article is proof that their thoughts on Christ’s subordination go much, much deeper than the earthly marital relationship.

It seems more to me like Mormon theology than anything resembling orthodox Christian teaching.