Mark

Cheryl,

“This view makes the Bible deceptive by claiming something that is not true.”

Not true! Moses wrote this and God used him to record what God wanted recorded. It in no ways makes it deceptive. I’m sure you will realise this once you get a chance to do some research on it.

“I have seen a lot of “research” from people who dispute the validity of Genesis.”

I’m not disputing the validity of Genesis. Quite the opposite. I just don’t see that the ‘quotes’ have to be the exact words that people spoke. God has provided what he wants us to know.

“Words put into someone’s mouth that they didn’t actually say is nothing less than deceptive.”

So which gospel is more accurate? Did Matthew quote Jesus properly on the sermon on the mount (Matt 5) or did Luke quote Jesus properly on his sermon on the plain (Luke 6)? Which gospel writer is being the deceptive one since they are not identical? Do you see the logical problem with what you are saying?

“Those who solve the problems by believing that those whom the Holy Spirit inspired add to the words of Jesus or add to the words of Eve are heading down the path of liberalism. What else has been added? And what else has been taken away.”

Oh dear Cheryl! What we have is what God wants us to have. He wanted us to have 4 differnet gospels although not identical. We get to see Jesus from four different angles without having to assume there is a contradiction because there are different accounts. Just because the words are not identical doesn’t mean it’s a contradiction. Actually your view seems contradictory, because the gospels are so different in what they record Jesus saying- again which one is Jesus actual words? Please answer which gospel is closer to depicting Jesus actual words?

“Yes. If I understand you right, you seem to be saying that either Moses added God’s name to Eve’s quote in Genesis 4 or else Eve was following the serpent’s lead at removing God’s name in Genesis 3. You said that Moses could add God’s name in Genesis 4 in to Eve’s quote and that would apparently be fine with you. I strongly disagree.”

What i am saying is that Moses recorded what God wanted recorded, so whether these are Eve’s exact words or not is irrelevant to inspiration, because what we have is what God wanted. All i am saying is that we need to keep in mind contextual circumstances (Ancient near Eastern circumstances) and not ignore deliberate Hebrew emphasise which might help us understand the text better. If you think this is liberalism, you are very mistaken.

“. Either way does not have another writer adding words to Moses’ mouth. Did Moses say “I died”? or is it written in the third person? Add words to another person’s mouth is deception, pure and simple.”

So your happy for people to add to narrative, but not direct quotes? Is this right? Seems a little ironic. If you don’t trust the quotes why do you trust the narrative? Again please give me your understanding of the gospels!

“You greatly misunderstand. I am not rejecting male “headship”. It is what this “headship” means.”

This is why i am here. Trying to understand your position. What does male ‘headship’ look like in your opinion?

“While you may not have been on the CBMW site, the fact is that most comp resources have a tie to CBMW so you are getting CBMW indoctrination whether you realize it or not.”

Seems you against CBMW and am trying to link anything i say to them. Maybe i’m just indoctrinated by the bible?

By the way i have done an exegesis for you all, and yes i am supposed to be studying, but church history is hard to be excited about. This blog is much more engaging. Do you want me to email it to you Cheryl?