Cheryl Schatz

Mark,
Under question #9 You had originally said “The curses show who is MORE responsible for the fall.”

I answered:

Says who? Where does God say that the man is MORE responsible for the fall? Since sin comes through the man alone, and sin does not come through the woman, then the buck stops with him and she has no responsibility not less responsibility for bringing sin into the world. I know that you know the Scriptures well about that sin comes through 1 man, not one man and a little bit through the woman.

You had said that Adam was more responsible for his own sin and I answered your comments and asked further questions:

So the serpent had a higher role given by God that made him more responsible? What is Adam held more accountable for? His own sin? Is Adam more accountable for his own sin than Eve is for her own sin?

You also said “There is no mention of God distinguishing between a moderate sin (Eve) and a bad sin (Adam)” and I answered and questioned you with this:

Really? Treachery is not a bad sin? Being deceived in ignorance is on the same level as Adam’s sin? Then why did Paul say that those who sinned in ignorance (himself) could receive mercy while those who sinned wilfully (the lying false teachers) were to be kicked out of the church? Does God really ignore the heart and judge all sin alike? Is this the message you want us all to know about God?

It appears that once again you have not answered almost all of my questions. Why?

You said:
9. Gen 1-3 shows male headship in the following ways. Adam is made first. Eve is made from Adam and for Adam. Adam names his wife. Adam is addressed first. The curse because of Adam affects all of creation. Adam bears the primary resposibilty for the fall. Paul uses Gen to prove male headship in two of his argument (1 Cor 11, 1 Tim 2).

All you have done is presented a claim to leadership that is never claimed in the Bible. Paul does not say that Adam is leader because he was created first. Where do you get that from? You also say that “Adam bears the primary responsibility for the fall” when I questioned you where you got that from? Adam never bears “primary” responsibility but the full responsibility. Once again you have merely by-passed by questions. I wonder if you are even seeing the questions, or if you are to busy to pay attention? Why would you consistently evade the questions and give facts that have no bearing on leadership? The Bible never ever states that the first one is to be the leader. King David was the last child, not the first. What’s with that if the Bible principle is that the first is the designated leader?

Now you said “Does God really ignore the heart and judge all sin alike?”

My response is absolutely! “No one is righteous, not one”.

You are bypassing my question AGAIN! We are not dealing with righteousness, but how God judges between sins. What you are claiming about God is that He has no interest in our heart…that He judges deception the same as rebellion. You, my friend, have misrepresented God. Perhaps you would like to answer these Scriptures.

Matthew 10:15 “Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.

Joh 15:22 “If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.

Joh 9:41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, ‘We see,’ your sin remains.

Act 17:30 “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,

Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Rom 1:21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

Jas 4:17 Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.

1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at the height of his stature, because I have rejected him; for God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”

1Ch 28:9 “As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

I could go on and on about God looking on the heart and the intentions of the heart, but I think these verses should suffice. How do you answer the Scriptures where God judges the heart and the intentions?

None of us deserve anything from God except punishment- this is the gospel.

You are going off topic. The issue is not about deserving good things from God, but about the punishment for sin and the differences between different motives. Did God judge differently between Adam and Eve’s sin or not? What will you do with all the Scriptures where God says that he deals differently with ignorance than with rebellion? Why do you deny that God is fair and just in this way? Why do you wish to uphold the righteousness of Adam as “leader” and want to make Eve to have part of bringing sin into the world when the Scripture is clear that she had no part and Adam bore the blame alone?