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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-24

@UpifLips No, this is not it. Both males and females fall into bad teaching and

@UpifLips No, this is not it. Both males and females fall into bad teaching and can cause damage. It is not because a godly woman teaches truth that the church descends into madness.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-24

@ronhenzel @carol66944 There’s no slippery slope here as I’m merely rejecting a doctrine created by man. The idea of gender hierarchy of authority is not the teaching of the New Testament. Even in the OT, there was no sense that obeying a woman in a ...

@ronhenzel @carol66944 There’s no slippery slope here as I’m merely rejecting a doctrine created by man. The idea of gender hierarchy of authority is not the teaching of the New Testament. Even in the

@UpifLips No, this is not it. Both males and females fall into bad teaching and

@ronhenzel @carol66944 There’s no slippery slope here as I’m merely rejecting a doctrine created by man. The idea of gender hierarchy of authority is not the teaching of the New Testament. Even in the OT, there was no sense that obeying a woman in a ...

@ronhenzel @carol66944 My egalitarian church formerly part of the RCA just left

The idea that a woman’s vocalizing is considered as shame or like nakedness is w

The problem is that if the man was supposed to rule the woman before the fall, t

@CaidenHooks @carol66944 @MikeWingerii So a godly woman preaching truth and now

@CaidenHooks @carol66944 @MikeWingerii This idea is a purely a work of the ficti

@MariusM38610501 @MikeWingerii @kjvchurches I think he is assuming two different offices, one for men and one for women and saying that the female office wasn’t used historically until after the NT. But that’s fallacious as there’s only one office. ...

@StevenMKestner @MikeWingerii No because any s3xual relationship outside of the confines of a marital relationship between a man and a woman is sin. It is clearly listed as such. Show me where a godly woman teaching truth to men is a sin, or where ...

@pastherandie @lunarCelerity @MikeWingerii And Hawk, please show me one place in

@peace_got @MikeWingerii So for you, you feel guilty listening to a godly woman

@Unashamed_Chuck @JamesDitto12 Yes, the man is the head, but not in the way that you think. This is not about authority over or rule over but, sourcing marriage back to the very first marriage and its basis in the origin of the woman from Adam’s fles...

@StevenMKestner The one who aspires the role of an overseer desires a good thing. In addition to being sound in the faith, the person is to be: 1. Above reproach 2. Faithful to their spouse (if married); teaches one-man-one-woman monogamous relation...

@BradPatriarch @pastherandie Bradley, the Greek simply says μιᾶς γυναικὸς ἄνδρα (one wife husband)⎯"woman" is in the genitive form and "man" in the accusative, thus together this translates as wife and husband. The emphasis in the Greek is on "one." ...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals So your view is Paul

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals I'm not sure how you got "order" out of this and are then using this to suggest that it is not appropriate for a woman to speak or ask questions⎯that would be a completely different sort of t...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You are saying that Paul doesn't want the women to contribute to the learning of the community: 14:1 - "Pursue love, yet earnestly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy...

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Nice try. A monogamous marriage consisting of one man and one woman is what Paul is referring to, and that explicitly excludes same sex marriage. But it doesn't exclude the unmarried or the single...or women. P...

@kriesese @pastherandie @ronhenzel @smashbaals Paul’s use of that idiom does not mean a married man…else Paul (and Timothy) would be excluded. By the same reasoning, neither is this excluding women. Paul did not say “must not be a woman,” but is sayi...

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Right because women are nev

@smashbaals Then why do you believe that a woman is forbidden from serving as a

@ronhenzel @ScottCross_8 @ewarner88 @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Thanks. I only had to spend $11 this time to read the context. Collins himself admits that the wayyiqtol **normally** implies: "Genesis 2:19 seems to...

@pastherandie @JollyStine @ronhenzel @ewarner88 @ScottCross_8 @peace_got @ymmotr

@AVER735 You think that nature—you know, the observable creation—teaches you the

@ronhenzel This is all fine and dandy, Ron. But to understand what Paul means an

@JollyStine @PrinceDean78489 @CherylSchatz @MikeWingerii @MargMowczko Thanks for sharing, Christine. You have been a huge help replying to challenges as I can’t keep up. Unfortunately, that 1Ti 2:11-12 is about a specific woman appears to be the ext...

@gzulbaran10 @ronhenzel Responding to Ron's points: Paul specifically points to deception and the time order of creation. Because he mentions Eve, "the childbearing" is a reference to the seed of the woman. Paul is extending the same grace to the de...

@gzulbaran10 @ronhenzel Yes, “a woman… the woman”—and in 1Ti 2:11-15, we have “a woman… the woman” with the details that she is deceived and teaching heresy and her husband is not deceived and being silent because of Paul’s connection with Adam and E...

@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel If the woman (singular) represents the church then who

@ronhenzel Further, this is why Paul reaches to a classical Greek word to get a very specific meaning: “to commit murder of one’s own kin by one’s own hand”—like how Eve handed the fruit to Adam and he ate and brought death to humanity, so also this ...

@MythosMayhem @ronhenzel It says “saved through THE childbearing”—it is a definite noun, not a verb. Given that in the context, Paul is referring to Eve and connecting her situation as a prototype of a specific wife teaching heresy in Ephesus, Paul ...

@ronhenzel Especially in the context where we have *two* anarthrous nouns. How do we decide? What is Paul intending in the context? Why not the personal pronoun? How is a generic woman saved through ‘the childbearing’ when not all women bear children...

@ronhenzel I asked that question about “what is ‘woman generically’” as I wanted

@ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Ron, this is not a defeater of my assertion that “the woman” is an anaphoric reference to “a woman.” Without v14 and the article, we would have more reason to consider vs11-12 ...

@ronhenzel Yeah, so I really do love Wallace, but it doesn’t mean all his conclusions are right. “A woman” is generic until we hit v14 where we clearly see the anaphoric use of the article. There’s nothing in Wallace’s Greek Grammar Beyond the Basic...

@DustyMayT @Torncurtainorg @JollyStine @Crystalisives @Gabe_Torrez7 @MikeWingerii Hard complementarians believe that a woman's place is the home only and that only the man is to work a job outside the home. If she is fortunate enough to have kids, sh...

What did Paul mean by "Therefore the woman should have authority on her head bec

@GlennDavies @SwordMasterPub So you demonstrated that there are males who appear to be elders like Titus, Timothy and James, but we don’t have a letter written to or about a woman? What about 2John 1,5 (elect lady) and vs 13 (chosen sister)? Also, w...

@FraudDMartin Not everyone thinks this way. I’m not even sure Smash does…he seem

@TarienCole @JollyStine @MikeWingerii A woman who had an unbelieving husband was to have the authority over *her own* head to decide whether to wear a covering or not. The reason was because she has two heads, Christ and her husband, and Paul—by comm...

@JoeAdrian256 I stand by the scriptures too. No need to twist anything. I love Paul’s writings…but it’s important to know what he actually means. 1Ti 2 doesn’t forbid women from teaching or pastoral roles. It is referring to “a woman” which v14 spec...

@ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii If you see the anaphoric use of the article in v14 point to gyne in vs11-12 then this tells us Paul means a specific woman, especially in context to 1Ti 1:2. Yes, Eve does “dou...

@Whitehorse1255 @CherylSchatz @MikeWingerii @soothkeep @JoelFKorytko @The_Idol_Killer @ProvisionistP @HwsEleutheroi @Soteriology101 @1984_nate We all agree with the syntax in this verse. What we disagree with is whether “A woman/wife” is a generic wo...

@carol66944 @EkIesou @ronhenzel Paul is telling Timothy he is not allowing what this specific woman is doing. Paul is not asking Timothy to interfere. Paul is making the decision. Timothy is to give the message to the woman. In that way he is steppin...

@peace_got @AlistairRobert7 @pastherandie @Robert_S_Morley @JollyStine @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii That’s what we are debating. Some think the reason is because women are more emotional or more easily deceived. You agree tha...

@carol66944 @EkIesou @ronhenzel However, this is not “head speech”, it is instruction-to-Timothy speech which is the one who is commissioned to stop the false teaching and the false teachers at Ephesus. Would you at least grant that I have a grammat...

@EkIesou @ronhenzel I simply noted that Paul uses the article in v14 anaphorically to clarify that “a woman” in vs11-12 is a specific woman. He also uses the article as the subject of “will be saved” in v15. On the contrary, your explanation doesn’t...

@EkIesou @ronhenzel “The woman” cannot refer to Eve because she is the subject o

@ronhenzel Your translation of authentein as “having authority” begs the question why Paul used an extremely rare word to convey this idea. This needs an explanation. You also missed that Paul is speaking about a specific woman because of the articl...

@johnmarkallen @SolaChristus7 @haymes_joshua We have to note what specifically Paul is referring to about the first man and woman. He refers to the time sequence order and how it has something to do with one being deceived and one not deceived. This ...

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@ronhenzel @ScottCross_8 @ewarner88 @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Thanks. I only had to spend $11 this time to read the context. Collins himself admits that the wayyiqtol normally implies: "Genesis 2:19 seems to...

@ronhenzel Especially in the context where we have two anarthrous nouns. How do we decide? What is Paul intending in the context? Why not the personal pronoun? How is a generic woman saved through ‘the childbearing’ when not all women bear children...

@TarienCole @JollyStine @MikeWingerii A woman who had an unbelieving husband was to have the authority over her own head to decide whether to wear a covering or not. The reason was because she has two heads, Christ and her husband, and Paul—by comm...