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Mike Winger idea 2020-09-15

Argument 2 — "Don't indoctrinate children, teach critical thinking" — presents a false dichotomy. You can only separate religion from critical thinking IF you assume all religion is false, making this circular.

Second argument from Dawkins: the indoctrination argument

Natasha Crain false dichotomy circular reasoning

Mike Winger idea 2021-05-14

Would Jesus have died of old age if not crucified? Probably yes — physical death entered through the Fall affecting all humanity, not just individual sinners. But Winger acknowledges he hasn't fully worked this out.

Q18: Would sinless Jesus have died of old age?

Romans 5 Romans 5:12 Romans 5 Jesus Romans 5:12

Mike Winger idea 2022-01-14

Why Didn’t Adam Stop Eve?: Since Adam was sinless before the fall, why didn't he fulfill his role as a husband when Eve was tempted by the serpent (it seems like he was nearby)?

Q&A question: Why Didn’t Adam Stop Eve?

marriage

Mike Winger idea 2022-01-28

Winger affirms husband-wife roles are equal in value but different in role, calling this 'irrefutably taught' in the NT. He rejects the word 'rule' as misleading in modern English but affirms husbands have a higher position of authority.

Q&A question asking why submission is taught as God-ordained in the NT if the husband's rule was a curse of the fall.

Genesis 3:16 Ephesians 5:22 1 Peter 3:1-6 complementarianism headship complementarianism

Mike Winger idea 2022-01-28

Could Only God Atone for our Sins?: What role did the divinity of Christ play in His ability to atone for the sins of the world? i.e., could Adam, before the fall, have chosen to die for the sins of all (hypothetically)?

Q&A question: Could Only God Atone for our Sins?

Mike Winger idea 2022-03-18

About the Fall of Satan: How could the devil fall, being perfect (moral excellence), knowing the full comprehension of God? How could he even think evil thoughts?

Q&A question: About the Fall of Satan

Satan

Mike Winger idea 2023-01-13

Are Drugs OK if they’re Grown Naturally?: Is Genesis 1: 29 allowing us to smoke weed and to eat magic mushrooms because they’re found naturally? Hasn’t sin surely had a big impact after the fall, on vegetation?

Q&A question: Are Drugs OK if they’re Grown Naturally?

Genesis Genesis 1 Genesis Genesis 1

Mike Winger idea 2023-04-21

Can Evolution be Plausible?: Do you think evolution is plausible theologically? I have never heard a good response to how there would have been death before the fall.

Q&A question: Can Evolution be Plausible?

evolution

Mike Winger idea 2023-06-23

Animal Death Before the Fall?: If animal death occurred prior to the fall, wouldn’t that mean God called animal death/suffering “very good?” If we later see a wolf dwelling with a lamb, wouldn’t that indicate that prior to the fall, that was what we had enjoyed?

Q&A question: Animal Death Before the Fall?

suffering

Mike Winger idea 2024-06-28

Is Nakedness Inherently Sinful?: My 16 year old daughter was wondering why with the Fall in Genesis, shame is associated with being naked. What’s the correlation between sin, nakedness, and the Fall? I didn't really know.

Q&A question: Is Nakedness Inherently Sinful?

Genesis Genesis

Mike Winger idea 2024-10-11

God’s Creation of Those Who Would Fall: If God is all-knowing and foresaw the suffering that would result from the fall of Satan, Adam, and Eve, affecting billions, why would He create them, knowing the pain that would follow?

Q&A question: God’s Creation of Those Who Would Fall

Satan creation suffering

Mike Winger idea 2025-11-14

Adam’s 930 Years: Could Genesis 5:5 mean Adam’s 930 years began after the Fall, so he and Eve lived much longer in the Garden? Romans 5: 12 says death came through sin; did Adam start dying then?

Q&A question: Adam’s 930 Years

Romans 5 Genesis Genesis 5 Romans 5 Genesis Genesis 5

Pulpit sermon 2026-03-22

"Does the Bible Permit A Woman to Preach?" - Jonny Ardavanis

A question that is both sensitive and significant within the life of the church — examining God's design, the effects of the fall, qualifications for church leadership, and relevant passages.

1 Timothy 2:12-14 Genesis 1 Genesis 1:26 Women in Ministry Complementarianism 1 Timothy 2:12

Pulpit research note

Commentary: Genesis 3:16 Is Descriptive, Not Prescriptive

Ardavanis says: > "God tells Eve that as a derivative of the curse, you will desire to master your husband... Women are going to fight against God's design for male leadership." **Ge 3:16** is descr

Genesis 3:16

Pulpit research note

Commentary: Eve Quotes God in the Plural — God Spoke to Both

Ardavanis claims Eve "added" the phrase "or touch it" to God's command, implying she garbled what Adam relayed to her. But the Hebrew text reveals something he doesn't address. ### The Singular-to-pl

Genesis 3:2-3

Pulpit research note

Commentary: The Serpent's Strategy Was Deception, Not Undermining Gender Roles

Ardavanis claims the "first strategy of the serpent" was to undermine God's word and God's design — implying the serpent's goal was to subvert a gender hierarchy by getting Eve to lead. This misreads

Genesis 3:1-6

Pulpit research note

Commentary: Same Word for Adam and Eve — Toil, Not Gendered Punishment

Ardavanis presents Adam's and Eve's curses as distinct experiences — Adam gets "toil" working the ground, Eve gets "pain" in childbirth — as if God is using different language to describe fundamentall

Genesis 3:16-19

Pulpit research note

Commentary: "Desire" in Genesis 3:16 — She Will Want Him Despite His Betrayal

Ardavanis says that Eve's "desire" for her husband (**Ge 3:16**) is not romantic desire, and he prefers the parallel in **Ge 4:7** where sin "desires" to master Cain. But there are two problems with t

Genesis 3:16

Pulpit research note

Commentary: God Never Said She Would Want to "Overpower" Her Husband

At 11:31, Ardavanis claims that God tells Eve she is going to want to "overpower her husband" and "subvert God's design," and calls this "one of the most timeless wars waged in culture." ### God Says

Genesis 3:16; 1 Corinthians 7:3-5

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Argument 2 — "Don't indoctrinate children, teach critical thinking" — presents a false dichotomy. You can only separate religion from critical thinking IF you assume all religion is false, making this circular.

Would Jesus have died of old age if not crucified? Probably yes — physical death entered through the Fall affecting all humanity, not just individual sinners. But Winger acknowledges he hasn't fully worked this out.

Why Didn’t Adam Stop Eve?: Since Adam was sinless before the fall, why didn't he fulfill his role as a husband when Eve was tempted by the serpent (it seems like he was nearby)?

Winger affirms husband-wife roles are equal in value but different in role, calling this 'irrefutably taught' in the NT. He rejects the word 'rule' as misleading in modern English but affirms husbands have a higher position of authority.

Could Only God Atone for our Sins?: What role did the divinity of Christ play in His ability to atone for the sins of the world? i.e., could Adam, before the fall, have chosen to die for the sins of all (hypothetically)?

About the Fall of Satan: How could the devil fall, being perfect (moral excellence), knowing the full comprehension of God? How could he even think evil thoughts?

Are Drugs OK if they’re Grown Naturally?: Is Genesis 1: 29 allowing us to smoke weed and to eat magic mushrooms because they’re found naturally? Hasn’t sin surely had a big impact after the fall, on vegetation?

Can Evolution be Plausible?: Do you think evolution is plausible theologically? I have never heard a good response to how there would have been death before the fall.

Animal Death Before the Fall?: If animal death occurred prior to the fall, wouldn’t that mean God called animal death/suffering “very good?” If we later see a wolf dwelling with a lamb, wouldn’t that indicate that prior to the fall, that was what we had enjoyed?

Is Nakedness Inherently Sinful?: My 16 year old daughter was wondering why with the Fall in Genesis, shame is associated with being naked. What’s the correlation between sin, nakedness, and the Fall? I didn't really know.

God’s Creation of Those Who Would Fall: If God is all-knowing and foresaw the suffering that would result from the fall of Satan, Adam, and Eve, affecting billions, why would He create them, knowing the pain that would follow?

Adam’s 930 Years: Could Genesis 5:5 mean Adam’s 930 years began after the Fall, so he and Eve lived much longer in the Garden? Romans 5: 12 says death came through sin; did Adam start dying then?

"Does the Bible Permit A Woman to Preach?" - Jonny Ardavanis

Commentary: Genesis 3:16 Is Descriptive, Not Prescriptive

Commentary: Eve Quotes God in the Plural — God Spoke to Both

Commentary: The Serpent's Strategy Was Deception, Not Undermining Gender Roles

Commentary: Same Word for Adam and Eve — Toil, Not Gendered Punishment

Commentary: "Desire" in Genesis 3:16 — She Will Want Him Despite His Betrayal

Commentary: God Never Said She Would Want to "Overpower" Her Husband

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