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@GetoD6812 @pastherandie Forbidding women completely without any regard for their giftedness, ability and specific teaching is clearly an error and the Orthodox Church has fallen prey to cultural patriarchalism like many others. Saying "but what abo...

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie Forbidding women completely without any regard for their giftedness, ability and specific teaching is clearly an error and the Orthodox Church has fallen prey to cultural patr

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie Just because I believe scripture doesn't forbid godly women from teaching or pastoral ministry doesn't mean that women don't mess up like men. Maybe if men supported women who were gifted and had the desire to serve in this c...

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie Just because I believe scripture doesn't forbid godly women from teaching or pastoral ministry doesn't mean that women don't mess up like men. Maybe if men supported women who

@KatieWollan2 @ryancduff As for the idea of male headship, take a look at this c

@KatieWollan2 @ryancduff As for the idea of male headship, take a look at this clip from Leon Morris' commentary on kephale in 1Co 11:3 (and he is a complementarian). https://t.co/oiaep5VdVu

1Co 11:3 debate

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie Where does the Bible explicitly tell women not to be pa

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie Where does the Bible explicitly tell women not to be pastors?

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie No one is saying that wives shouldn't submit to their husbands, just that husbands should also submit to their wives because it is mutual. No one is ignoring the Bible. It's called reading in context. A text without the con...

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie No one is saying that wives shouldn't submit to their husbands, just that husbands should also submit to their wives because it is mutual. No one is ignoring the Bible. It's

@rofbethany @CherylSchatz 1. Again, just because someone is identified with their husband (perhaps because it was the men who are in the genealogies), it does not mean that Deborah was “qualified” by her husband. I ask you again, what do you mean she...

@rofbethany @CherylSchatz 1. Again, just because someone is identified with their husband (perhaps because it was the men who are in the genealogies), it does not mean that Deborah was “qualified” by

@rofbethany @CherylSchatz 1. God doesn’t qualify Deborah by her husband. Referring to her husband does not “qualify” her by him. What specific role does her husband play in her decisions and statements? 2. Barak didn’t fail. Barak was willing to hum...

@rofbethany @CherylSchatz 1. God doesn’t qualify Deborah by her husband. Referring to her husband does not “qualify” her by him. What specific role does her husband play in her decisions and statement

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie My apologies…I didn’t recognize the typo. Deleting my c

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie My apologies…I didn’t recognize the typo. Deleting my comment. But women are not forbidden to have authority over men just like Deborah wasn’t forbidden but appointed to have

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie What? I cannot quote the Bible? I’m obeying exactly wh

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie What? I cannot quote the Bible? I’m obeying exactly what Paul said and meant in its context with all details being inspired. I don’t just read 1 or 2 verses. A text taken ou

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie If you cannot read in context, how will you understand

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie If you cannot read in context, how will you understand what God intends? Think—if it is a sin for a woman to have authority, then why did God appoint Deborah as the judge and

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie How strange. “Forbidding” what is not forbidden is actu

@GetoD6812 @pastherandie How strange. “Forbidding” what is not forbidden is actually doctrines of demons. Forbidding marriage, forbidding certain foods…and yes, forbidding godly women from teaching tr

Leon Morris, a complementarian commentator, says in 1Cor 11:3 that κεφαλή (gr:ke

Leon Morris, a complementarian commentator, says in 1Cor 11:3 that κεφαλή (gr:kephale, or head in english) does *NOT* mean authority over or the controller in antiquity... 🤯 👇👇👇 https://t.co/CQoDw1dx1

1Cor 11:3 general

This is absurd and clearly unscriptural since Jesus was single and passed 30 and

This is absurd and clearly unscriptural since Jesus was single and passed 30 and Paul commended others to remain single as he was. @RenOfMen https://t.co/19KcJREj6P https://t.co/qCWNspGMj3

@ronhenzel @AleahPursley My convictions on this are not suppressing the truth in

@ronhenzel @AleahPursley My convictions on this are not suppressing the truth in unrighteousness. Again, you cannot demonstrate how a godly woman teaching truth to men or pastoring is ever declared a

@ronhenzel @AleahPursley So how is it that you say somehow a godly woman teaching truth to men or pastoring is in the same category as a woman saying she is a man or wanting to change her s3x or living contrary to s3x confined to marriage which is be...

@ronhenzel @AleahPursley So how is it that you say somehow a godly woman teaching truth to men or pastoring is in the same category as a woman saying she is a man or wanting to change her s3x or livin

@ronhenzel @AleahPursley Ron, you know that I’m not saying that every view is off limits. You know that I already said that my egalitarian church just left the RCA because they ordained same s3x pastors, right? Obviously I believe that you cannot di...

@ronhenzel @AleahPursley Ron, you know that I’m not saying that every view is off limits. You know that I already said that my egalitarian church just left the RCA because they ordained same s3x pasto

@ronhenzel @AleahPursley Ron, you know that this is not what I think as I have g

@ronhenzel @AleahPursley Ron, you know that this is not what I think as I have given a thorough exegesis on the passages you so confidently assume restrict women. Please show me where scripture says t

@PeterThreshwood @Almsivi7 Headship doesn’t mean authority over in this context.

@PeterThreshwood @Almsivi7 Headship doesn’t mean authority over in this context. And what you just noted is correct: naming someone doesn’t necessarily mean you have authority over them. Head of sim

@DabDabChill Actually the order is: 1. Christ -> all men 2. A husband -> a

@DabDabChill Actually the order is: 1. Christ -> all men 2. A husband -> a wife 3. God -> Christ Now why isn’t it in hierarchical order as you suggested?

@The_Sig_ You are importing a modern understand of what “head” means in the English. You have to investigate to understand what Paul means by using this term in context. Since both Jesus and the Father are the uncreated creator, there is no sense in ...

@The_Sig_ You are importing a modern understand of what “head” means in the English. You have to investigate to understand what Paul means by using this term in context. Since both Jesus and the Fathe

@ronhenzel @carol66944 There’s no slippery slope here as I’m merely rejecting a doctrine created by man. The idea of gender hierarchy of authority is not the teaching of the New Testament. Even in the OT, there was no sense that obeying a woman in a ...

@ronhenzel @carol66944 There’s no slippery slope here as I’m merely rejecting a doctrine created by man. The idea of gender hierarchy of authority is not the teaching of the New Testament. Even in the

@bibleradioapp It’s a give and take much of the time. On some things we just don

@bibleradioapp It’s a give and take much of the time. On some things we just don’t move forward until we have agreement. Leadership teams with multiple equal leaders have always existed. If you only

@Almsivi7 Adam observed her coming from his flesh and bone so he described it: Isha from Ish. Even later, Eve’s name means the mother of all living, so it’s an acknowledgment of her importance. Hagar called God “the God who sees” ⎯ does her ‘naming...

@Almsivi7 Adam observed her coming from his flesh and bone so he described it: Isha from Ish. Even later, Eve’s name means the mother of all living, so it’s an acknowledgment of her importance. Haga

@IxAMxLAMBO @DoulosDean68 You are interpreting head in our modern context. You n

@IxAMxLAMBO @DoulosDean68 You are interpreting head in our modern context. You need to consider how Paul is using the term kephale. https://t.co/IORdUu0ldY

@ronhenzel @carol66944 The difference between us is that I just think you are wrong, but you think I’m a liberal, disingenuous, and need to repent of my egalitarianism. I believe that you are free to remain a complementarian. I’m egalitarian, or a m...

@ronhenzel @carol66944 The difference between us is that I just think you are wrong, but you think I’m a liberal, disingenuous, and need to repent of my egalitarianism. I believe that you are free to

@Reformed_Zoomer @enidways Did the men in Deborah’s time submit to her as God’s

@Reformed_Zoomer @enidways Did the men in Deborah’s time submit to her as God’s judge and prophet?

@ronhenzel @carol66944 Ron, take off your patriarchy glasses so you can see the context of each of those passages clearly. At minimum, engaging with those who take scripture seriously but disagree with you based on Biblical precedent should give you...

@ronhenzel @carol66944 Ron, take off your patriarchy glasses so you can see the context of each of those passages clearly. At minimum, engaging with those who take scripture seriously but disagree wi

@ronhenzel This is not necessarily true. As an egalitarian, I believe I am following inspired scripture more closely than when I was a comp. That said, if the belief is that the Bible is clearly against women in leadership and one purposely goes aga...

@ronhenzel This is not necessarily true. As an egalitarian, I believe I am following inspired scripture more closely than when I was a comp. That said, if the belief is that the Bible is clearly agai

@EManFleming Eve was described as a help to Adam which means he was the one with the need. This does not mean she was created for one way service to him. God is also described as our helper using the same Hebrew word ("ezer") used for Eve. This term...

@EManFleming Eve was described as a help to Adam which means he was the one with the need. This does not mean she was created for one way service to him. God is also described as our helper using the

@ronhenzel A creative way of getting around the text. Why is this not an option for married women? Should half the church (if all single women) all line up one by one to speak with an elder after? How inefficient is that? What if the question she ask...

@ronhenzel A creative way of getting around the text. Why is this not an option for married women? Should half the church (if all single women) all line up one by one to speak with an elder after? How

@ronhenzel Women in general or just married women (since they alone have husbands to ask at home)? You must make sense of what the text specifically states. Rather than holding back the spirit, Paul encourages speaking and even interrupting another ...

@ronhenzel Women in general or just married women (since they alone have husbands to ask at home)? You must make sense of what the text specifically states. Rather than holding back the spirit, Paul

1Co 1:13 1Co 4:21 question

@ronhenzel @thecrazypastor In the following I clearly mark Paul’s usage of the contrastive ‘or’ (Greek: ἢ) in 1 Cor: 1Co 1:13 - "Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? ἢ were you baptized in the name of Paul?" 1Co 4:21 - "What do you wish...

@ronhenzel @thecrazypastor In the following I clearly mark Paul’s usage of the contrastive ‘or’ (Greek: ἢ) in 1 Cor: 1Co 1:13 - "Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? *ἢ* were you baptized i

@ronhenzel @thecrazypastor Here's the list of verses where Paul uses rhetorical questions and contrastive statements to address or correct ideas and behaviors within the early Christian communities showing that this is also a way of identifying forei...

@ronhenzel @thecrazypastor Here's the list of verses where Paul uses rhetorical questions and contrastive statements to address or correct ideas and behaviors within the early Christian communities sh

1Co 14:34-35 general

@ronhenzel @thecrazypastor While it is true that Paul often introduces quotations or topics from the Corinthians with “Περὶ δὲ” (Peri de, “Now concerning…”), he also employs rhetorical questions and contrastive arguments to distinguish his views from...

@ronhenzel @thecrazypastor While it is true that Paul often introduces quotations or topics from the Corinthians with “Περὶ δὲ” (Peri de, “Now concerning…”), he also employs rhetorical questions and c

@thecrazypastor @ronhenzel The only view that makes sense of this text is Paul quoting from the letter from the Corinthians (see 1Co 7:1)⎯this is for the reasons you noted. There is no such law which could ever be reasonably interpreted to suggest th...

@thecrazypastor @ronhenzel The only view that makes sense of this text is Paul quoting from the letter from the Corinthians (see 1Co 7:1)⎯this is for the reasons you noted. There is no such law which

1Co 7:1 general

@ronhenzel Gen 1-3 doesn't teach women subjecting themselves in the congregation

@ronhenzel Gen 1-3 doesn't teach women subjecting themselves in the congregation and thereby not being permitted to speak. Gen 3:16's "he shall rule over you" is not in the imperative, is not spoken t

Gen 3:16 general

@ronhenzel Your comment that 1Co 14:34 is not forbidding speaking but is about s

@ronhenzel Your comment that 1Co 14:34 is not forbidding speaking but is about submission (Gen 1-3) is misleading. Verse 34 clearly says the following 3 things: - Women are to keep silent in the chur

1Co 14:34 debate

@ronhenzel 1. Paul writes in 1Co 7:1, "Now concerning the things about which you wrote..." ⎯ since there are no quotation marks in the Greek manuscripts, any quotations are determined by the details in the context. Your statement that there's nothin...

@ronhenzel 1. Paul writes in 1Co 7:1, "Now concerning the things about which you wrote..." ⎯ since there are no quotation marks in the Greek manuscripts, any quotations are determined by the details i

1Co 7:1 debate

@ymmotrojam The 144,000 are also Jewish male virgins: “They sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. These are those w...

@ymmotrojam The 144,000 are also Jewish male virgins: “They sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who h

@FreeAme19691836 Hi Russell, I am using X to address specific issues, and at this time, the forbidding of women as elders and pastors is on the forefront for me. Your assumption that I care little for the salvation of others is misjudged. I ask the...

@FreeAme19691836 Hi Russell, I am using X to address specific issues, and at this time, the forbidding of women as elders and pastors is on the forefront for me. Your assumption that I care little fo

Terran Williams in his article on Gen 1-3 writes: "The meaning of the word ‘mashal’ in 3:16 is...‘rule’. ...some complementarian scholars argue that it means ‘oppress’ or ‘rule harshly’. Rather, in its 81 occurrences in the Old Testament, it means r...

Terran Williams in his article on Gen 1-3 writes: "The meaning of the word ‘mashal’ in 3:16 is...‘rule’. ...some complementarian scholars argue that it means ‘oppress’ or ‘rule harshly’. Rather, in i

in 3:16 debate

The problem is that if the man was supposed to rule the woman before the fall, t

The problem is that if the man was supposed to rule the woman before the fall, then why is this a new statement made in Gen 3:16? Some complementarians believe that Gen 3:16 is an oppressive rule. Ho

Gen 3:16 debate

In context, Lewis writes that the push for equality is a safeguard against tyran

In context, Lewis writes that the push for equality is a safeguard against tyranny because of sin. He believes that authority and obedience are part of the divine order but because of the fall, got co

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-13

@Praise_Yah_ @jrjoplin So women are not allowed to learn in church? Why is it sh

@Praise_Yah_ @jrjoplin So women are not allowed to learn in church? Why is it shameful or morally depraved for them to vocalize in church?

@kjvchurches @iheartJ37 @MikeWingerii The LXX is mythological? It was the Greek

@kjvchurches @iheartJ37 @MikeWingerii The LXX is mythological? It was the Greek text that the disciples and early church used and many of the NT quotes from the OT are from the LXX.

@DriverXag @TulipPatriot Hebrews is not referring to the second Advent. You cann

@DriverXag @TulipPatriot Hebrews is not referring to the second Advent. You cannot confuse what Christ is doing now with what He intends to do later.

@carol66944 @CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii We can let Caiden decide when he has had

@carol66944 @CaidenHooks @MikeWingerii We can let Caiden decide when he has had enough. I’m not in this for “the win”—I’m fully happy when complementarians do what they think is right without condemni

@CaidenHooks @carol66944 @MikeWingerii I am not a liberal and I’m not smuggling anything. Where does the text clearly forbid women? If “one wife husband” doesn’t forbid single males then it isn’t meant to specify marriage or maleness. Paul is intent...

@CaidenHooks @carol66944 @MikeWingerii I am not a liberal and I’m not smuggling anything. Where does the text clearly forbid women? If “one wife husband” doesn’t forbid single males then it isn’t mea

@CaidenHooks @carol66944 @MikeWingerii There is no prohibition on women. You are

@CaidenHooks @carol66944 @MikeWingerii There is no prohibition on women. You are literally making up teachings of men and binding God’s people to them.

@Robert_S_Morley @TulipPatriot Are you sitting with Jesus on His throne? Is that how we are to see God’s judgment of Jerusalem in AD 70 that the church was judging Israel with Jesus on the throne of David?? "To him who overcomes, I will give the rig...

@Robert_S_Morley @TulipPatriot Are you sitting with Jesus on His throne? Is that how we are to see God’s judgment of Jerusalem in AD 70 that the church was judging Israel with Jesus on the throne of D