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Scripture Commentary article 2025-08-04

Women In Ministry Research Notes

Collection of 22 research notes from Cheryl Schatz's Logos notebook on women in ministry, covering head coverings in 1 Corinthians 11, kephale as source, Genesis creation narratives, Ephesians 5 mutual submission, and Craig Keener's lecture notes on women's ordination.

1 Cor 14:34-35 1 Tim 2:11-12 1 Timothy 5:21 Ephesians 5 1 Timothy 2 1 Corinthians 11
Scripture Commentary article 2023-03-14

A 14-Point Biblical Case for Women Leaders and Teachers And Why Mike Winger, The Gospel Coalition, and the Southern Baptists Are Wrong About This

A 14-point biblical case for women leaders and teachers, responding to Mike Winger, The Gospel Coalition, and the Southern Baptists

1 Cor 12:21-24 1 Cor 14:26 1 Corinthians 11:2–16 Women in Leadership Complementarianism Debates
Scripture Commentary article 2009-02-20

Did God Give Up On The Woman

Many people think that God was especially hard on Eve after she was deceived by the serpent in the garden. In fact hierarchists have determined that God was so hard on Eve by punishing her with a multitude of lashes for her sin, that some might get the idea that God punished the one who was deceived

Genesis 3:14 Genesis 3:16 Genesis 3:17 Genesis & Creation Adam & Eve Women in Leadership
Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-08-09

@Wictor2501 @DarkVanTil @McMuffin11111 @Eric_Conn @iliketopreach Gen 3:16 doesn’

@Wictor2501 @DarkVanTil @McMuffin11111 @Eric_Conn @iliketopreach Gen 3:16 doesn’t say “and thy desire shall be to RULE thy husband…” Why does everyone insert rule there? God prophesies that Eve won’t

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-07-22

@YoungOneJosh1 @cheryl_hanks @rightresponsem Yes, that is true. But the word is also used in Song of Solomon 7:10 Gen 4:7 – sin’s desire is for Cain Song 7:10 – woman says her beloved’s desire is for her Given that Gen 3:16 is regarding the relatio...

@YoungOneJosh1 @cheryl_hanks @rightresponsem Yes, that is true. But the word is also used in Song of Solomon 7:10 Gen 4:7 – sin’s desire is for Cain Song 7:10 – woman says her beloved’s desire is for

Gen 4:7 Song 7:10 Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-07-06

@carol66944 @5pur5y I appreciate your desire to see redemptive threads throughout Scripture, but I think your symbolic reading of Gen 3:16 stretches the text beyond what it actually says. Gen 3:16 is part of the consequences spoken to the woman afte...

@carol66944 @5pur5y I appreciate your desire to see redemptive threads throughout Scripture, but I think your symbolic reading of Gen 3:16 stretches the text beyond what it actually says. Gen 3:16 is

Gen 3:16 Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-05-19

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ God didn't say that He cursed Eve in Gen 3:16. Her conception rate would increase (a good thing to populate the planet), and her toil would increase (same word used for Adam) and her desire wou...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ God didn't say that He cursed Eve in Gen 3:16. Her conception rate would increase (a good thing to populate the planet), and her toil would inc

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-05-19

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ There are no imperative

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ There are no imperatives in Gen 3:16 (therefore, no commands). Take a look at the Hebrew.

Gen 3:16 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-05-19

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Which passage are you referring to? Gen 3:16? God didn't command Adam to rule his wife but this was a consequence of sin. I'm saying Adam didn't have to rule his wife and would have done better...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Which passage are you referring to? Gen 3:16? God didn't command Adam to rule his wife but this was a consequence of sin. I'm saying Adam didn'

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-04-26

@TheAwokeSlayer @rightresponsem Then, in Gen 3:16, after the Fall, God says to E

@TheAwokeSlayer @rightresponsem Then, in Gen 3:16, after the Fall, God says to Eve, "your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." This reads like a prophecy of what will happen

Gen 3:16 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-01-31

@EManFleming Yes, I’m serious. Gen 1-2 is God’s design. Gen 3 is the fall and its consequences. Gen 3:16-19 has no imperatives, and the man and woman are not cursed. God prophesies that the husband will rule over his wife. If this was ideal, wouldn’t...

@EManFleming Yes, I’m serious. Gen 1-2 is God’s design. Gen 3 is the fall and its consequences. Gen 3:16-19 has no imperatives, and the man and woman are not cursed. God prophesies that the husband wi

Gen 3:16-19 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-09

@BBWoofield So now you have two possible meanings. How do you know which one applies here in Gen 3:16? In toil she shall bring forth children, yet her desire will be for her husband. Given the toil she will experience in childrearing, it is interes...

@BBWoofield So now you have two possible meanings. How do you know which one applies here in Gen 3:16? In toil she shall bring forth children, yet her desire will be for her husband. Given the toil

Gen 3:16 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-03

@barkbahlmerg @MolderAnna26649 @Brian_Sauve Nowhere does the Bible give husbands

@barkbahlmerg @MolderAnna26649 @Brian_Sauve Nowhere does the Bible give husbands the authority to rule over their wives. Gen 3:16 is spoken to the woman, not an imperative and is a prophecy related to

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-25

@Alex7Shiro @Peacemaker811 When God speaks to the woman and says “your desire wi

@Alex7Shiro @Peacemaker811 When God speaks to the woman and says “your desire will be for your husband and he shall rule over you” this is spoken as a prophecy, not what God desires or actively causes

Gen 3:15 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-22

@ronhenzel Gen 1-3 doesn't teach women subjecting themselves in the congregation

@ronhenzel Gen 1-3 doesn't teach women subjecting themselves in the congregation and thereby not being permitted to speak. Gen 3:16's "he shall rule over you" is not in the imperative, is not spoken t

Gen 3:16 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-17

The problem is that if the man was supposed to rule the woman before the fall, t

The problem is that if the man was supposed to rule the woman before the fall, then why is this a new statement made in Gen 3:16? Some complementarians believe that Gen 3:16 is an oppressive rule. Ho

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-17

Finally, patriarchal structures are not part of God's original design, but are a

Finally, patriarchal structures are not part of God's original design, but are a result of human sin and societal evolution away from God's ideal (Gen 3:16). The return to God’s intended order is wha

2Cor 5:17 Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-16

@SolaChristus7 @haymes_joshua Please show me where you see authority hiearchy in Gen 1-2. There is no evidence in the text for it; each person (God, Adam, Eve and the Serpent) don't seem to act like Adam is the authority over Eve. God commands both t...

@SolaChristus7 @haymes_joshua Please show me where you see authority hiearchy in Gen 1-2. There is no evidence in the text for it; each person (God, Adam, Eve and the Serpent) don't seem to act like A

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-10

@pastherandie @MikeWingerii @Crystalisives @CherylSchatz @ryancduff @will_servant @CharmyRosewolf @Ichthusproject @bkr8un @JollyStine @jdpritchett - Head as authority was never intended though Mike would protest. - Head as source was always intended,...

@pastherandie @MikeWingerii @Crystalisives @CherylSchatz @ryancduff @will_servant @CharmyRosewolf @Ichthusproject @bkr8un @JollyStine @jdpritchett - Head as authority was never intended though Mike wo

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@kingdomsheir7 @iLoveJaneAdams @sovereignbrah No, he was there. God says "because you listened to her voice" (Gen 3:17) and "and she also gave some to her husband with her" (Gen 3:6). Because he heard her voice and did nothing he was culpable. He had...

@kingdomsheir7 @iLoveJaneAdams @sovereignbrah No, he was there. God says "because you listened to her voice" (Gen 3:17) and "and she also gave some to her husband with her" (Gen 3:6). Because he heard

Gen 3:17 Gen 3:6 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-14

@paulsfam4 @ABlakeWhite Rule in Gen 3:16 is not in the imperative like Gen 1:28 is when spoken of both the man and the woman. If Gen 1:28 is a command, then how is the woman to rule if the man rules her? Further, Gen 3:16 is not spoken directly to Ad...

@paulsfam4 @ABlakeWhite Rule in Gen 3:16 is not in the imperative like Gen 1:28 is when spoken of both the man and the woman. If Gen 1:28 is a command, then how is the woman to rule if the man rules h

Gen 1:28 Gen 3:16 Gen 3:16 commentary
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-01-16

Many think the first sin was Adam obeying Eve. This is not what Gen 3:17 says. Gen 3:17 (NASB 2020): "Then to Adam He said, 'Because you have *listened* to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree...” Why was listening to her voice impo...

Many think the first sin was Adam obeying Eve. This is not what Gen 3:17 says. Gen 3:17 (NASB 2020): "Then to Adam He said, 'Because you have *listened* to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from

Gen 3:17 Gen 3:17 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-01-13

@florabelle444 @harmonizedgrace Not sure if this is tongue in cheek, but God does say to Adam in Gen 3:17, "because you heeded (or listened to) the voice of your wife..." This is not about Adam obeying Eve, but about him hearing the conversation and...

@florabelle444 @harmonizedgrace Not sure if this is tongue in cheek, but God does say to Adam in Gen 3:17, "because you heeded (or listened to) the voice of your wife..." This is not about Adam obeyi

Gen 3:17 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-15

@DST_QA @sympatheticNPC Yes, authority needs to be given. We need to deal with the text and not add things in that are not there when authority is given in this very context to both Adam and Eve. God gave dominion to humans as an imperative in Gen ...

@DST_QA @sympatheticNPC Yes, authority needs to be given. We need to deal with the text and not add things in that are not there when authority is given in this very context to both Adam and Eve. Go

Gen 1:28 Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-14

“Then to Adam He said, ‘Because you have listened to the voice of your wife…’” (

“Then to Adam He said, ‘Because you have listened to the voice of your wife…’” (Gen 3:17) What did God mean by “listen to the *voice*”?

Gen 3:17 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-02

@ronhenzel I did see this before, but after re-reading it, I see that these study notes do catch that salvation from deception due to the false teaching is mentioned. This is good. He does point out the reference back to Gen 3:15, the seed of the w...

@ronhenzel I did see this before, but after re-reading it, I see that these study notes do catch that salvation from deception due to the false teaching is mentioned. This is good. He does point out

Gen 3:15 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-10-30

@lostintherye @smashbaals What God said to Eve in Gen 3:16, that Adam would rule over her, was not a command to Adam, but God prophesying to Eve what would change in their relationship as a result of the fall. In His Church, Jesus tears down the div...

@lostintherye @smashbaals What God said to Eve in Gen 3:16, that Adam would rule over her, was not a command to Adam, but God prophesying to Eve what would change in their relationship as a result of

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-10-24

@Manda2364333130 @Brian_Sauve Not so. Gen 3:16 was spoken to the woman, not the man, and it wasn’t an imperative and the tense allows for future fulfillment (a prophecy). We have been told so many times that God ordained males to lead that we think...

@Manda2364333130 @Brian_Sauve Not so. Gen 3:16 was spoken to the woman, not the man, and it wasn’t an imperative and the tense allows for future fulfillment (a prophecy). We have been told so many t

Gen 3:16 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-10-20

@EtAbundatGratia @JayMuratore @MikeWingerii It is eisegesis or confirmation bias to read into Gen 3:16 that she desires to rule her husband. Gen 4:7 is a different context. Sin is not a person, but metaphorically, if sin wants Cain perhaps like a w...

@EtAbundatGratia @JayMuratore @MikeWingerii It is eisegesis or confirmation bias to read into Gen 3:16 that she desires to rule her husband. Gen 4:7 is a different context. Sin is not a person, but

Gen 3:16 Gen 4:7 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-10-20

@EtAbundatGratia @JayMuratore @MikeWingerii @ryanshatz God’s design which ends at day 7 shows no evidence of the man being given the command to rule over the wife, but that they are to rule together over creation. This is an imperative plural in Gen...

@EtAbundatGratia @JayMuratore @MikeWingerii @ryanshatz God’s design which ends at day 7 shows no evidence of the man being given the command to rule over the wife, but that they are to rule together o

Gen 1:28 Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-10-05

@BibleBashed I’m shocked that over 50% of respondents so far think women need to have children to be saved‼️ "She [singular] will be saved [future, so cannot be Eve] through the childbearing [definite article + noun, NOT a verb, a reference back to ...

@BibleBashed I’m shocked that over 50% of respondents so far think women need to have children to be saved‼️ "She [singular] will be saved [future, so cannot be Eve] through the childbearing [definit

Gen 3:15 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-09-28

@creationnews Yes, though Paul is likely referring to Gen 3:15 since his other r

@creationnews Yes, though Paul is likely referring to Gen 3:15 since his other references are to Adam and Eve. https://t.co/rBGS8Fof6Y

Gen 3:15 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-09-16

@PastorTSheppard @Jgrey2003 @pastordmack Gen 3:16 is not a command for Adam to rule over Eve. If it was, why did God say it to Eve? "To the woman He said..." - The word "rule" is in the imperfect. It could be considered future tense. God is sayin...

@PastorTSheppard @Jgrey2003 @pastordmack Gen 3:16 is not a command for Adam to rule over Eve. If it was, why did God say it to Eve? "To the woman He said..." - The word "rule" is in the imperfect.

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-09-03

Paul was referring back to the seed of the woman in Gen 3:15. https://t.co/fnwpx

Paul was referring back to the seed of the woman in Gen 3:15. https://t.co/fnwpxeTfM4

Gen 3:15 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-18

@pauldirks @KaeleyT Elaborating on Gen 3:16… Why did God tell Eve that her husband would rule over her rather than God saying to Adam that He gave him rule over her? God did not say to Eve that she was to be in a place of permanent subordination. Wh...

@pauldirks @KaeleyT Elaborating on Gen 3:16… Why did God tell Eve that her husband would rule over her rather than God saying to Adam that He gave him rule over her? God did not say to Eve that she w

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-13

@IssacharsNexus @JohnMoo26668690 Yes, I read my Bible very carefully. I believe it is fully inspired even down to the grammatical details. I suggested another possible reason our culture is having gender issues is because abuse of patriarchy. What...

@IssacharsNexus @JohnMoo26668690 Yes, I read my Bible very carefully. I believe it is fully inspired even down to the grammatical details. I suggested another possible reason our culture is having g

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-10

@nsraban @CovenantReform2 @smashbaals Yes, Nice find. But Num 30:13 isn’t a law silencing women in the assembly but confirming whether her vow which she speaks is in force and binding. Kind of different. Gen 3:16 is a prophecy to the woman about w...

@nsraban @CovenantReform2 @smashbaals Yes, Nice find. But Num 30:13 isn’t a law silencing women in the assembly but confirming whether her vow which she speaks is in force and binding. Kind of diffe

Num 30:13 Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-08

@uncledando @ChristChurchTe1 @TomBuck What, you can’t read Gen 3:16 either? Why don’t you answer my questions then? Why didn’t God tell Adam he should rule the woman? Why were his words to Eve future not present? I don’t advocate for women forcin...

@uncledando @ChristChurchTe1 @TomBuck What, you can’t read Gen 3:16 either? Why don’t you answer my questions then? Why didn’t God tell Adam he should rule the woman? Why were his words to Eve futu

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-07-21

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii I have. I disagree with Mike on this one. In his second video, he says that the idea of whether or not Gen 3:16 applies to after the fall as a consequence of sin is 99% of the debate. I agree with Mike on that. How you ...

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii I have. I disagree with Mike on this one. In his second video, he says that the idea of whether or not Gen 3:16 applies to after the fall as a consequence of sin is 99% of

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-07-18

@Journeyman_Joe @MikeWingerii I should have been more clear. Mike said that Adam had authority over Eve before the fall. BTW, in Gen 3:16 God was speaking to Eve, not Adam. God was prophesying how their relationship would be affected. Where did G...

@Journeyman_Joe @MikeWingerii I should have been more clear. Mike said that Adam had authority over Eve before the fall. BTW, in Gen 3:16 God was speaking to Eve, not Adam. God was prophesying how

Gen 3:16 debate
Theology verse entry

1 Timothy 2:11-15

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Timothy 2:11-15 specific woman,deception,authenteo,grammar,perfect tense,future tense,anaphoric,egalitarian,ephesus,teknogonia,singular plural,historical perfect,verbal aspect,paul as pattern
Theology verse entry

Genesis 3:14-19

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Genesis 3:14-19 fall,curse,consequences,serpent,Eve,Adam,pain,thorns,death,not prescriptive,protoevangelium,seed of the woman,Messiah,teknogonia,desire,rule,teshuqah,mashal,egalitarian,complementarian,patriarchy
Theology verse entry

Genesis 2:7

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Genesis 2:7 dust,adam,formation,origin,nephesh
Theology verse entry

Genesis 3:1-7

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Genesis 3:1-7 temptation,fall,serpent,deception,sin,silence of adam
Theology greek term

σωθήσεται (sothesetai)

she will be saved

greek
Theology greek term

τεκνογονία (teknogonia)

the childbearing

greek
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Preview of Genesis 1-3 debate: creation order, Adam naming Eve, Eve as climax of creation, Adam blamed for the fall, dominion given to both, 'your husband will rule over you' — with complementarian and egalitarian responses to each.

Preview of next video (Video 2)

Gen 1-3 creation order Adam naming Eve
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Reading of Genesis 3:1-20 covering the serpent's temptation, the fall, God confronting Adam first, the curses on serpent/woman/man, and the proto-evangelium.

Genesis 3 text reading

Gen 3:16 the fall Gen 3:1-20
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Schreiner's point 5: the serpent subverted God's pattern of leadership by tempting Eve rather than Adam -- Mike thinks this is the weakest complementarian argument.

Complementarian argument #5: serpent targeting Eve

Tom Schreiner serpent tempts Eve Gen 3:1
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Combining Schreiner's points 2 and 6 with Mike's additional argument: Adam's curse impacts all creation while Eve's only impacts women, implying different scopes of representation.

Mike's additional argument from the different curses

Gen 3:16-19 scope of curses Adam's greater representation
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