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Scripture Commentary article 2024-06-19

The Debates Over 1 Timothy 2

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 12 on the debates over 1 Timothy 2:11-15

1 Cor 14:34-35 1 Corinthians 10:11 1 Corinthians 12:1-11 1 Timothy 2 Spiritual Gifts Women in Leadership
Scripture Commentary article 2022-11-24

What Winger Presently Gets Wrong With Genesis 1–3: ‘Was Women’s Submission Just A Curse To Be Overturned?’

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 2 on Genesis 1-3 and whether women's submission was just a curse to be overturned

1 Corinthians 11:7-10 1 Corinthians 15:22 1 Corinthians 16:15-16 Genesis & Creation Authority & Submission Women in Leadership
Scripture Commentary article 2017-06-07

Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Parts 1-2: The Designer Knows Best

[Music] oh [Music] Lord why would you give me gifts that you don't allow me to use in the church just because I'm a woman why does the bible always use the term man am I important to God [Music] too why do you love boys more than girls why am I told that I can't lead in public prayer why are there s...

1 Corinthians 11:8 1 Timothy 2:13 2 Timothy 3:16 Genesis & Creation Adam & Eve Women in Leadership
Scripture Commentary article 2008-05-12

Primogeniture

In the next of Matt Slick’s articles on women in ministry that I will be reviewing is his article called Primogeniture found at Matt gives what he considers to be the meaning of primogeniture:

Exodus 31:9 Genesis & Creation Adam & Eve Women in Leadership
Scripture Commentary article 2008-05-07

Answering Matt Slicks Agenda On 1 Timothy 2:12

This is part 2 of answering the complementarian objections of Matt Slick on 1 Timothy 2:11-15. See part one here

1 Peter 4:11 1 Timothy 2:11-15 1 Timothy 2:12 1 Timothy 2 Genesis & Creation Adam & Eve
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Schreiner's point 1: God created Adam first, then Eve, significantly later -- this implies leadership through primogeniture.

Complementarian argument #1: creation order

creation order Tom Schreiner Gen 2:7
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Primogeniture in Hebrew culture: the firstborn had greater authority; older people had more leadership -- this cultural context is key to reading Genesis 2.

Cultural background for Schreiner's creation order argument

creation order Gen 2 primogeniture
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Egalitarian pushback: animals were made before Adam in Genesis 1, so creation order doesn't imply authority -- Mike's response: Genesis 1 and 2 are separate accounts, and primogeniture only applies among humans.

Egalitarian counter-argument to primogeniture

creation order Gen 2 Gen 1
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Linda Belleville's argument: Genesis 2 speaks of order and source, not authority -- Mike's rebuttal: these aren't mutually exclusive; primogeniture is precisely about order implying authority.

Egalitarian counter-argument from Belleville

Linda Belleville Gen 2 order and source
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Craig Blomberg's quote: ancient Jews accustomed to primogeniture would likely have seen Adam being made first as a sign of privilege.

Complementarian scholarly support for creation order argument

Two Views on Women in Ministry primogeniture Craig Blomberg
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Mary Conway's counter-argument: biblical exceptions to primogeniture (Jacob, Esau, Joseph, David, Ephraim, Manasseh) show the Bible doesn't care about birth order -- Mike's rebuttal: exceptions prove the rule.

Egalitarian counter-argument on primogeniture exceptions

Discovering Biblical Equality Mary Conway primogeniture
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Conclusion on primogeniture: early readers of Genesis would very likely have understood Adam as having higher authority due to being made first; Genesis 2 is the rule, not the exception.

Mike's tentative conclusion on creation order

Gen 2 primogeniture original audience
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

Westfall's expansion: men cannot have primogeniture status over women based on creation order

Mike critiques Westfall's application of Galatians 3:28 to inter-human relationships.

1 Timothy 1 Corinthians 7 Ephesians primogeniture 1 Timothy 1 Corinthians 7
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

Westfall's primogeniture claim vs. Paul's actual point about sonship

Mike distinguishes between Paul's meaning and Westfall's application.

Genesis 2 primogeniture Cynthia Long Westfall Genesis 2
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

Did NT Christians still practice primogeniture? Wives submitting to husbands?

Mike tests the egalitarian logic against practical NT realities.

Ephesians 5 marriage submission inheritance practices Ephesians 5
Mike Winger idea 2022-11-11

Paul's second argument: creation order supports head covering (verses 7-10)

Mike identifies the creation-based argument for head coverings.

Genesis 2 1 Corinthians 11:7-10 creation order primogeniture Genesis 2
Mike Winger idea 2022-11-11

Two principles in verses 8-9: who came from who (order) and who was made for who (purpose)

Mike distinguishes two separate arguments Paul derives from Genesis 2.

1 Corinthians 11:8-9 Genesis 2:18 creation order ezer 1 Corinthians 11:8-9