Jane

Womanblaming is when we blame someone because as a woman she is doing something that we disapprove of. When we foist the responsibilty for the heavy psychological pressures and relative lack of choice on women as if they had created the world they live in. We will all get frustrated sometimes, and be angry with women when we wish that we were not. But the golden rule should be if you wouldn’t judge a man that way, don’t condemn a woman either.

edit, by bulls I mean stags, stag deers, sorry…oh, and on the site, click Brauron, it gives more details about the rituals,

which included, at least referenced, cutting the throat of a man, I do know, the pantheon goddesses [in all ancients] were also connected to the War gods, why they are called fertility goddesses and war gods. They are a hierarchy but work towards common goals, etc., and cover all aspects of life, etc.

The Old Testament sheds a lot of light if you read/do thorough study on ancients [including Mayans, Olmec, Inca] rituals and then go and read the OT, you can piece it together there. [though there is some differences between the ‘sky’ pantheon [heavens], the ocean/or under earth and then the earth [serpent, most of Southern Cone and/some in Africa-animist, have more of a hierarchy centered around the serpent-except Kali/Hindu, from Aryans who formed the caste system, back in B.C., both Hindu and the Incas and Mayans go as far back as B.C. during Ramses Egypt, the others came later, after the fall of Sumeria/split of Israel-Judah, in later B.C., OT].

Jane

Jane

correction: those are not breasts and Artemis was not the goddess of virginity, she was the goddess of All biological functions of women and Then some. One of the more Powerful of the female pantheon,

and those aren’t breast, they are Testicles of bulls, representative of men. Her skirt is bound, with window-chambers of three dog like creatures in each.

and Yes without a shadow of doubt Paul was referencing to the Rituals and the FEAR women had in regard to childbirth–Artemis,

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Artemis_at_Brauron#The_wrath_of_Artemis

scroll up to read all

How do I know, I am an RA survivor, both sides of family, cult of Venus, Masonry [Egypt, Kali, the Pantheons, etc–33rd degree, Celts] and they are yes the foundation of our own GOVERNMENT, the City on the Hill [high place], my birthplace, Washington D.C.,

and I am STILL dealing with the aftermath–Isaiah makes perfect sense to me–all I’ll say on the matter, well, except, check out the mural at DIA airport and the new statute, the god of death/Egypt, there. Illuminati ring a bell? [it’s not just a conspiracy theory–and yes, one parent, family works for the government, ok so]

and it wasn’t that ‘she is saved IF she has children’ but she won’t lose her salvation if she doesn’t appease Artemis…

it’s similar to the FEAR of Lilith in ancient societies [including Hebrew and Slavic because Lilith was believed to be a demon goddess who would kill children if there wasn’t an amulet, that belief is still very strong among many Slavs today].

Jane

hey, this is from secular site but I think, many here need to read it,

why Men confuse love with abuse, from a Man confronting Men

http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/2008/11/27/abusive-men-and-the-way-they-confuse-love-and-abuse/

what he has to say is spot on, it’s kind of sad that the World gets it, the Church, doesn’t.

Jane

Cheryl and et al.,

I pray that Jesus guides each word I am about to write, because it is important for me to miss anything. I do talk to Jesus all the time and today He and I have been going over a lot, and I decided, after hearing Him, to write you and to first,

apologize to you for coming on your blog and blasting away. For years I was a very vocal activist, I worked among some of the hardest core revolutionary Marxists, and yes they Knew I believed in Jesus but I hated religion/church [esp right wing] for reasons I won’t get into here, I am still active but not in Marxism because I saw the lies there…not with the analysis but in the solutions, again long story don’t need to get into here.

Anyhow, I dealt with in the face pro-Hezbollah and Hamas supporters and being that I was human rights and especially women’s right and supporter of Judaism, I had to just put it out there, I am not one to back down, put it that way…confrontation was ugly, brutal and so I learned how to not beat around the bush so to speak. I also learned, in a very intimate way, about the abuse of authority…which I had known prior due to having been a survivor of ritual-type of abuse, masonry wrapped nicely in religion, both Catholic and Protestant, so my study, experience and views against Fascism are non-tolerant to say the least. To me they are occultist, how they work, how they are propagated under lies of ‘sweetness’ and well, if you know it you know it….

for the past year I have searched to see if there was love in the church, sadly I don’t think there is, I won’t even go into what I think of the whole authority male supremacist Egyptian logic that is spewed, just that I don’t support it, and am very opposed to it.

On the Other hand however, I’ve questioned my own question…if there isn’t Love in today’s church culture, then does exposing the ‘flaws’ online, the infighting, work to create love? I know within politics the one thing we fought for was Solidarity…to be divided was fatal. Literally, that is why the far left joined with the Islamists, for that reason [though at their demise I’m afraid because the two are very incompatible in ideology, at least true Marxism, this bourgeousie crap they have today well, lol, never mind, but alas…]

but where the church is concerned, while I won’t say, we should hide wrong or be in denial and that I hate anyway because it only perpetuates injustice to the oppressed–being that we ARE to walk like Jesus walked, we Are supposed to be a family [brethren] in Christ, I had to question if my advocacy as strong as it is, does more to be a stumbling block to unbelievers? And I think it does,

the thing is, none of us are God, Jesus said HE would send His angels to weed out the weeds from the wheat. At the same time it Is frustrating that so much injustice to women Is going on with total impunity within church ‘culture’ However,

IF the church brethren don’t care about their own, if they don’t care about change, then does exposing the wrong/fraud to the unbelieving world do anything to help the victims? That is a question that each one of us will have to ask ourselves, I do think it is one of those things that depends on How it’s done and Where it’s done. But for me, me personally, after giving this a lot of thought, it is not the path for me,

for one I walked away from the church Because of abusive men and I won’t go back…I feel Safer among communist comrades and that IS sad but it IS truth. But, I am also, letting go,

meaning, I don’t and am not going to any longer try to ‘fix’ it, or be an activist about it…on Women’s rights yes, within the Church, NO. Not even in church culture…this is a decision based on one, being that the church is supposed to be God’s family, the family should Act like a family, love one another, and love covers a multitude of sins. IF that family is devouring it’s women, it isn’t really God’ family anyway and besides, it’s a House divided and it WILL FALL, make no mistake about it…even under Totalitarianism, it eventually Falls, when the Spirit wilts, there is nothing but Desolation…that OR God sends another far worse army and smashes the absolute to smithereens. Every time, never fails…sadly though, the victims don’t recover and numerous are left dead, souls broken [and the huffing glue in totalitarian nations, though it may amuse the demons does nothing to put Humpty back together again, the souls are just dulled over till they shrivel up and die.]

With that in mind, with the world dealing with institutions is one thing, if it’s the Family of God, well, then if it doesn’t Act like a family and it only becomes an institution then I suppose to confront would be justified…however, the Word says we are a Body, to be Unified in One Mind in Christ, to Love one another. So, that leaves a dilemma,
IF I love Jesus do I then strive with the children, even if many are not children, how do I really know? I don’t, though I may see corruption with every ten corrupt there is ten who are not…and IF confrontation is necessary Jesus said to go to our brethren alone, then with witnesses = church–IF the church don’t care,

well, then that means the majority doesn’t care and it don’t do any good to confront…and that’s been somewhat of the case, However, being that this is Online in view of public, being that there may be One person who IS not corrupt–then I have to question, do I have the right, to be a possible stumbling block so that I can confront injustice? If love is important to me then it has to start with ME,

for this reason, I can no longer confront the church culture in a general way online. I can point out the Bible, I can point out the harms done to women, but to try and fix what ails, I cannot do…it is God’s family,

and it is better that He does it. And I just don’t have the energy to do it anymore, for one, if the Love isn’t there, if it’s all about the protection of self interest and authority my or any one else’s confrontation won’t change anything Anyway…IF it could then it should be done, like in Any family, within the Home of that family, in private, not aired with dirty laundry all over the public. That I realized is how Satan divides, how Satan uses the strife to reinforce unbelief/doubt in those who may be searching…
and all the confrontation won’t bring Love. If it’s not there, I sure can’t put it there,

so, with that, I am closing the door where trying to make change or trying to bring about somewhat of an understanding of the harms done to women to an institution or family that well, seems to be dysfunctional. This is better handled by God Himself,

so I have already left, but now I am going to end my search for well, I guess something that just isn’t there anymore…at least not in numbers where it does any good. It’s divided, it does not need one more divisor, me. I hope you all here find what it is you are looking for, I pray for God to guide you with wisdom, and well, just bless you.

As for me, I am directing my energies to relief work outside the church, focusing on positive and well, where there is Love that is where I want to be…or at least, give it away myself. On top of that, I am letting go because as knowing what is absolutism and totalitarianism Is, I also know how precious freedom is and the space to grow and change, how precious it is,
and so I am releasing it all–taking my hands off,

if God sends women in need of help I’ll help, but my days of trying to make a difference, in the church, are over. This is best for me and for all others…it isn’t my gift anyway.

Peace and God Bless,

Jane

they can read the TRUTH on my blog, it’s not about anger, it’ about cutting the b.s.

IF truth, ugly as it is is too much to handle, well, that says a lot doesn’t it?

I see you didn’t balk at just omitting my reply and just keeping it that way, but no, you made sure you brought out my name, referencing the reply that it was anger but how can anyone Discern or think about it if they don’t Read it themselves, so you sort of demonized me without even my words being put out there,

but hey, That’s ok now isn’t it? OK to offend me in that way, I find that amazing really, typical though,

don’t worry, I’m not angry, hell I’m NOT even surprised, not at all, I expect as much.

my blog, {edited}

I’m also doing some interesting research on Gold and the church-slavery and gospel turned into Butcher license in the West, modeling after Egypt, which I feel is very related to the whole Pharaoh submission ‘distortions’ taught today, but hey, what do I know, right,

I”m just angry.

Whatever…meanwhile the bodies pile up, and like Nazi Germany, we are just following Orders and oh, we just don’t smell the death camps…

Thank you NN, you know I was just about to walk off and then you posted what is Brilliant,

“Anatomically the brain does control the body not the other way around (go for it, type a response back, it’s your brain sending those little signals), not your fingers telling the brain what you should think. Susanna pointed out that the hand can also send signals to the brain, but this is to be expected in any working system. However, the brain is still in control (ever dug a needle out of your hand, it hurts; your pain reaction wants you to move and your brain has to force your body to keep still).

Again, not that it proves anything to this case but it is anatomically clear that the brain does have primary control over the body; when this doesn’t happen it is called paralysis and is a bad thing.”

So, taking your analogy then, let’s look at this,

being that WE have a BODY under the HEAD [JESUS’S AUTHORITY] that has dying parts, frostbitten parts, bleeding profusely parts, majority of them women, children, who are abused, raped, [not just Catholic Priests btw, the rape of children/women in Christian homes is Epidemic–fact, the child abuse-murder is horrendous, fact] then uh,

EITHER JESUS IS KILLING OFF HIS OWN BODY

OR

THERE IS A HEAD, THAT AIN’T

JESUS.

AND THE BODY IS SUBMITTING TO THE WRONG

HEAD.

just saying…

[that whole ‘son of perdition revealed in the Temple’ thing, you know, temple, OT it was Temple/building, temple in NT is the human being]

so maybe the Issue isn’t so much should we obey Authority [women] so much as WHO’S AUTHORITY

ARE WE/YOU

OBEYING?

ARE we allowed due to ‘authority’ to obey SATAN? Just because it’s through the Head of Husband? Sure seems that way–if you look at the FRUITS of the damage to the BODY. Either that, or Jesus,

hates Himself, at least half of Himself.

IF, we use that analogy–which we Should because then the Fact is clearly Evident, something is surely amiss, the head being pushed today, is not Jesus Christ, but an IMPOSTOR. [unless we then are just going to claim that thousands, not one, not two, not a disgruntled ten, but THOUSANDS of Christian women are lying about their pain, or that, it’s simply not relevant, that Jesus hates women…if that be the case, then, it really is more like Islam–women are just ‘fields to be tilled’. But then, you know, Islam means, SUBMISSION. Why really it shouldn’t be too much of a difficulty to transfer over worship to Islam [or the Beast, don’t dare question Authority] when that time comes for many Christians, because it’s all about SUBMISSION, and we can’t disobey the Head or the Authority.

Jane

Jane

“Yes, the argument that the head has to have authority over the body is a superb one. I would answer the argument with this: the head can send a commandment for the limbs to move, but the limbs can also command the head to send the signal. I.e. if you put your hand in a fire, the hand will send a signal to the head that it should make the hand move. In this case it is the hand that commands the head to take action, it does not originate from the head. There is one thing the brain cannot do and that is to regulate the heart which is vital for the existence of the entire body. I.e the head does not have absolute authority over the body.”

Amen to that and that is what is So neat about GOD’S AUTHORITY, if one part of the BODY is hurting, the entire BODY is effected, it can’t work like it should, so the HEAD always looks out for the HEALTH of the body [unless it’s sadomasochist] so that the BODY can function to do the HEAD’S WILL.

But today, we have Thousands of hurting Parts of the BODY [WOMEN AND CHILDREN] who are bleeding profusely, who are dying off, who are even cutting themselves off from the BODY to escape harmful CELLS [iniquity, abuse Enabled by distorted Authority teachings, etc] that are taking over and killing parts off the BODY. We have parts of the BODY that don’t even Move, they’ve been in chains for years, and the worst,

numerous parts of the BODY that are DEAD from FROSTBITE, the love of many grown cold because of iniquity [generational abuse].

So yes, Jesus is the HEAD OF A BODY,

THAT HAS DYING AND DEAD PARTS…BLEEDING PROFUSELY,

not by enemies from the OUTSIDE of the body only, but enemies from within…and those that are ‘supposed’ to be the Head so they claim, are protecting the very cells that are killing off parts of the BODY–

go figure, odd.

a BODY with dying parts, lobotomized parts, empty shells, one would think,

it would just be a whole lot easier to replace those dying parts with machinery–like those borg ‘female’ robots they are working on in Japan that will do any sexual thing demanded, will obey and will worship and not even blink an eye, of course they are Robots, but hey,

the perfect obedient submissive Woman. Maybe if the BODY replaces the broken/parts with Robot Women–then the Whole Body will be in perfect Unity,

oh I can feel the love already.

[sarcasm but maybe it will prick a few consciences, to Think, to really Think on the Fruits, because the BODY IS HURTING, in a really horrible way, at least, ONE HALF OF IT, by their OWN BRETHREN.]

Jane

I started to reply to NN but decided not to get entangled into yet one more debate on authority and not authority, blah blah blah…while I am yes a vocal women’s human rights advocate and I do not follow the conservative war mongering right wing culture nor the capitalist culture nor the whole misogynist patriarchal culture–based on my understanding of God’s Word, and I study it all the time, not by third party interpretations…I do believe in the verses of not ‘teaching or lording it’ over men but NOT for the same reasons given by Comps, not even close–but because of the angels [I do believe in the book of Enoch] and because of the spiritual hierarchy and from what I have read in OT–so I won’t teach, share, yes, teach no, besides, I look at it this way…if a man is bent on insisting on his rights to ‘authority’ he is either like Cheryl says misguided by fear, understandable OR he simply has not the FEAR of GOD, that and well, the whole thing with teaching–as James says in James, is some serious business, So,

I won’t debate ‘law’, why I don’t have anything more to do with the church culture [and won’t anymore] and prefer to stay out here alone in the wilderness–

but I will share, just some things about Authority, and I’ll use slavery as an example. What God does or doesn’t do with this is up to Him, I’ll leave it at that.

Exodus 21, the treatment of Slaves/Servants [pay attention esp to Women, these were slaves, interesting how God, uses Authority]

vs 1-4 [quick para, about a man slave who is freed but IF he has a wife that was from the Master/meaning daughter or cousin, etc. because THEN he could not Leave/be free and Take her and kids with him–only if the wife was not from the Master could he just walk away with his wife–and Only then, if the wife was related to the Master, then it says]
“And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children, I will not go free: Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall Serve him FOR EVER.

[God obviously thought enough to Protect any wife of a slave from being abused in another nation or not under HIS protection/AUTHORITY to the point where even a man who by Law could be free could NOT take that woman/kids outside of God’s Protection/AUTHORITY. So–slave women-wives of slaves were very Protected under God’s AUTHORITY].

Then it goes on to say, IF a man sells his daughter [Eved laws in Judaism say that this was daughters sold by pagan men…but the Bible just says IF a man, there was debt bondage or repayment then so obviously daughters were sold] but then it goes on to say, now this is slaves…WOMEN, UNDER AUTHORITY,

vs 7- “IF a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, SHE SHALL NOT GO OUT AS THE MENSERVANTS DO [meaning be free after jubilee]…” IF she please not her master, who hath BETROTHED HER TO HIMSELF [so taking a female slave was Betrothal, MEANING SHE WAS PART OF FAMILY] then shall he LET HER BE REDEEMED: TO SELL HER UNTO A ‘STRANGE NATION’ HE SHALL HAVE NO POWER, seeing HE HATH DEALT ‘DECEITFULLY’ WITH HER…

so here is a slave girl/woman, who is considered by GOD and HIS AUTHORITY to be betrothed and not only that, she if is even redeemed/meaning bought back, that man dealt Deceitfully with her, so that Slave woman to GOD and in GOD’S EYES had more rights than what Christian wives do in most marriages by doctrine–kind of ironic don’t you think…it gets better,

And if he hath BETROTHED HER UNTO HIS SON HE SHALL DEAL WITH HER AFTER THE MANNER OF DAUGHTERS…

it gets better,

IF he take him another ‘wife’ [after he has betrothed the Slave woman]; HER food [meaning the slave wife], her raiment, and HER DUTY OF MARRIAGE [not To marriage but under Judaic law men have Duties to Wives and they are signed and they are to be adhered to and most Christian men wouldn’t even meet the standards by far] SHALL HE NOT DIMINISH. AND IF HE DO NOT THESE THREE UNTO HER [THE SLAVE WIFE] THEN SHALL SHE GO OUT FREE WITHOUT MONEY [meaning her having to pay/or her family the money back that was exchanged for her servant-slavery].

now let’s go on to some more AUTHORITY,

Exodus 21: 26,27 “And if a man smite the eye of his servant/slave or the eye of his MAID, [same woman/girl above] that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye’s sake. And if he smite out his manservant’s tooth OR HIS MAID SERVANT’S TOOTH; he shall let him go free for his tooth’s sake.

You know, under AUTHORITY, over SLAVES, WOMEN, God didn’t tolerate abuse, dictatorship, mistreatment and Jesus did NOT overturn that–HE adds to it, saying you’ve heard it said eye for an eye and tooth for an tooth, but now it’s more, now it’s even if you call a brother a fool/RACA or basically if you wound their soul–get it right/reconciled OR ELSE MEET THE JUDGE…

PRETTY darn serious if you ask me, if GOD made Strict provisions [and there are numerous all through the OT about the treatment of Women under AUTHORITY] for the treatment of SLAVE WOMEN who had less ‘hierarchical’ rights than the wife wife–then uh, we might want to go back and LEARN WHAT GOD’S USE OF ‘AUTHORITY’ IS,

because the Penalties that God metered out to those who Disobeyed those COMMANDS were quite severe, and that was towards SLAVE WOMEN. Just imagine, what it is towards Wives/one flesh–

like it’s getting toasty hot in here, because the fact is, the rates of Abuse to Christian Women wives is far Worse than what the SLAVE WOMEN UNDER ‘GOD’S ‘AUTHORITY’ WERE BACK IN B.C.

Paul was Well aware of those laws as were the Jews back in His day, so they knew, KNEW what Authority under GOD meant and what it did NOT mean. They also KNEW the contracts and Duties that Husbands had towards Wives and they were [and still are under Judaic law though many men have twisted or added to them to Avoid having to Obey] far more than just being the ‘god king’ demanding this demanding that and lording it over and only providing food and shelter [IF they do that even],

so like Jesus and how HE treats with HIS AUTHORITY WHICH IS ABOVE ALL ELSE is not Anything, like so many have misconstrued today, and two things that come out very strongly about Women in OT, even among Slaves,

they were NOT to be raped, they were NOT to be abused, they were NOT to be tossed off like garbage, they were NOT to be harmed, neglected, not even Slave women–they were not to be trafficked, sold, used for sex slavery, etc. Even the concubines, had rights similar to Wives, and when they were abused God repaid. King Agag [the one Saul spared] was sawed to pieces for making women childless with sword, meaning raped, not killed, dead women can’t have children..not Israeli women only, but WOMEN,

God don’t mess around with abuse, mistreatment of WOMEN, period. There are hundreds of scriptures all Over the Bible about what God does to those who Abuse AUTHORITY, who abuse WOMEN,

but it’s not taught today…the slave man had to Sacrifice his FREEDOM if he wanted to keep his wife that was a Daughter of Israel, NOT the other way around.

So–I’ll leave it at that–yes there is Authority in the Bible–we are servants, All of us,

but I would hate to be facing God’s wrath for abusing Authority–no where, NO WHERE, IN GOD’S WORD, DOES HE ‘WINK, WINK’ AT ANY AUTHORITY, USING ‘AUTHORITY’ WHEN THEY ABUSE, MISTREAT, VERBALLY ABUSE, CONTROL, DEMONIZE, STOMP ON, WOMEN.

even SLAVE WOMEN.

pretty serious–I’ll leave it at that, anyone who wants to argue can take it up with the AUTHORITY OF ALL AUTHORITY,

GOD HIMSELF.

Jane

Here’s what I know, very intimately, about the distortion and the abuse of certain scriptures, that the churchianity culture has used to mentally ‘lobotomize’ women.

Here, I’ll take this one as example,

Philippians 2:5–8 (NASB)
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross

Yes, HE emptied Himself,

and countless women for Jesus not only self-negate themselves and are forced to empty themselves, forced to endure marital rape, forced to endure abuse, cruelty, stripping of any self or self thought, decision, rendered less human than a dog is less animal even, [meaning animals have rights to more animal rights than many Christian women have to Human Rights in a marriage],

is that Jesus, yes obeyed unto death, Jesus Also rose up from the DEAD, with HIS SOUL STILL INTACT.

What men have done to women using that scripture and distorting them, in this death cult Lobotomy pedophilia creation worship that is yes, based on the sale of girls in ancient Greece to Pedophile men a decade older just like it still goes on today in Yemen and in Afghanistan [with suicide rates among teen girls Extremely high],

is assassinate a woman’s SOUL. SHE doesn’t RISE UP BRETHREN,

SHE DIES A SLOW SOUL DEATH.

SHE doesn’t RISE UP.

To kill a woman in this way is NOT the same thing that Paul tell us to do as living sacrifices, it is apples and oranges, to Die for Jesus Christ is one thing,

to let Satan destroy your soul through a husband using scriptures distorted to do so, is a whole other different ballgame. It is occultic, it is deadly, it is poisonous, and it is Murder,

simply put, it’s a clever use of God’s Word engineered by Satan to kill and murder the Souls of Women and it has killed thousands. It kills her soul, it kills Love, she obeys from fear and allegiance to Jesus at the same time hating Him, making a mockery of everything the the Cross was for,

which was to Redeem us from the power of sin, not throw us into the yoke of slavery to the soul destruction of Satan, cleverly twisting scriptures around to give License to men/husbands to perform slow soul lobotomies on their own wives.

Want to know what ancient cultures did lobotomies? Well the Mayans for one, they would take out the brains,

the worship of gods and serpents. That practice/or ritual was pretty popular in those ancient days, and they are doing it today, using Christian religion, authority scriptures, to women,

except they don’t use a rock and a pit today, oh no, they use slow cruel methods of taking away a woman’s thoughts, feelings, decision capabilities, and will, and rendering her nothing more than a lobotomized child who never says NO and who’ll take any type of abuse without objection, all the while she is thinking this is what Jesus wants of her, to empty herself out and she never can figure out Why,

there is no Joy of the Holy Spirit or why she deep down thinks God is nothing more than a manipulative lying despot who wanted nothing more than Slaves using women as practice and that love is nothing but a crock lie—and we Wonder why woman are leaving the church in droves [or winding up dead or in a catatonic state and just some Christian spewing vegetable?].

That isn’t God, oh no, it’s Satan, cleverly masking himself and numerous men and women are peddling this lie, using the Cross to do so–physically dying to the obedience is one thing, Jesus wasn’t Lobotomized,

what is being done to women today [and always has been] using those scriptures IS nothing more than a sinister LOBOTOMY, and there IS no resurrection, just one more, Assassinated Soul death of a Woman, done in the name of Jesus, which is the worst of all.

Jane

Hi Cheryl,

well my angst isn’t so much with God or Jesus anymore, religion yes, I have nothing to do with it at all, not anymore, but it’s been two long years of hard work between me and Jesus to do a lot of damage control that has been caused by religion, and I am referring to Christian religion, both Catholic and Protestant. [I am married to a Jew so there is that then I had experience with Islam so I see more commonalities especially with the whole comp Egyptian teachings and those I strongly believe are not just centered around the whole marriage ‘cult’ god in this nation’s religious culture [euro-centric] but also in economics and war mongering policies, e.g. nationalism and xenophobia-chauvinism.

So anyway to me I see more of the Bael-actually the Pharaoh* worship in the whole culture in regards to the pyramid of mammon, that then filters to the whole tolerance-acceptance and even embracing and POLLUTING the Doctrines taught in the Word of God, as THE ROOT, rather than the relationships between husband and wives or even the question of should women be ministers, etc. From that angle that is and I’m seeing it more and more in the Word.

It is in coming to grips with the doubts and questions, which yesterday was one of those down days that I get answers, what I mean is when I get to the end of my rope and lose heart is when God breaks through and reveals things to me, with confirmation. What struck me in the poem a lot was the reference to the Stockholm Syndrome and so like I’ve known to refer to the struggles as internalizations but I didn’t really pay attention to how Stockholm Syndrome can manifest/Germinate just through being exosed and hearing and hearing the distorted pyramid Egyptian polluted doctrines that have taken hold, a stronghold, in our Christian culture. I knew there were triggers but it’s so much more than triggers,

this is something that goes deep into the spiritual place and we haven’t even scratched the surface yet. I got a confirmation on this through numerous scriptures this morning, in regards to my own walk and so forth but it’s relavent here so I’ll share them,

in Isaiah 57, 1-8, has Strong implications to the culture today, but see under the ‘mask of goodness, a.k.a. religion’ it’s easy to not see it, but in verse 3-5, “But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore. Against whom do ye sport yourselves? Against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye NOT children of transgression, a seed of Falsehood? Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree, slaying the children in the valleys under the cliffs of the rocks?”…

So here is where the Stockholm Syndrome is related, using my lens/experience here but it’s relevant,

we judge through our lens who God is or what God demands, this includes scriptures, be it men who do this to Enflame themselves [I am firmly convinced the obsession with submission/authority has a lot to do with the desire towards or leaning towards pedophilia/sexual perversion, and it is spiritual darkness, and the reason for this is having been exposed to ritual abuse in my childhood, e.g. Masons, etc., knowing a bit about those beliefs and well, without going into a lot of detail here God has shown me a lot through deliverance and it IS really strongly connected, especially the whole Pagan roots that go all the way back to Egypt, Mesopotamia, Samaria, Greece & Rome but anyway–put it this way, the Poison is so in churchianity/church culture-religion it’s not Even funny–for a long while I thought it was just Babylon and I didn’t tie in the whole Egyptian religions in though I had numerous dreams–it wasn’t until I started piecing together the Word and certain things in the dreams [and the dreams went along with numerous things in Bible] that God showed me–

but anyway, the insects all over the wall has meaning that many miss–so ok then so like, I struggle a lot with how I see God, discernment, and like it’s pretty much having to dump all the man doctrines and going direct to the Word and staying there, but there are those mountains of ‘doubt’ that you know they aren’t unlearned simply by throwing out scriptures, they have to be revealed and cast down, because they are Strongholds,

and in those times I often question God because I don’t or didn’t really KNOW who God was, the God we are often told about isn’t God but it’s luciferian, FACT. And it’s done ‘neatly packaged’ through scriptures and man’s doctrines.

The syndrome comes from the fact that our lens is from that seed, the sorceress, adulteress, etc., is in relation not just to our like natural parents–but our spiritual parent/sin/the tree of knowledge but also the nation and culture–get what I am saying,

and it is Deeply embedded, the cup of iniquity [is almost full] and the source of and it is related to something far deeper than just surface, e.g., marriage and the questions of roles, etc. So like,

it’s NOT just confronting the use of certain ‘doctrines’ but going to the source root, of the Culture, that has polluted the church-RELIGION,

and it goes way beyond just the inner circle, so to speak. Anyway I divorced [term I use] the entire culture because it IS corrupted, make no mistake about it, it goes numerous years back, in This nation, in fact prior even To the foundation of this country,

it has a LOT to do with the whole leaning and it will become more so with the doctrines of authoritarianism, etc. Anyway after I posted that yesterday and wrestled on some topics God answered, thought I’d share that part,

to those who have ears let them hear…

In solidarity,

Jane

take the above poem, replace Muslim men and Allah with God,

there you go…because it is Identical, from the pedophilia in the priesthood to the pedophilia and/or the ‘pedophile Fantasy of child brides who are women Forced to be children’ in so called Gender Roles marriage [I’m sure if they could marry six year olds they Would]

it becomes more questionable to me, if religion wasn’t some construct By men For men, to control the ONE animal that had the ability to tell them

NO.

More and more I am wondering about this, that and the whole pyramid hierarchy, and they ARE, the more misogynist and traditional they are, Hierarchical and Pharaoh wanna be’s they are, and they ARE

mass killing thousands of Souls, of Women, a form of slow, agonizing, Soul Lobotomy–

ironic isn’t it, the Mayans and other Occult beliefs had a thing about doing lobotomies on slaves, except today they just got a bit more sinister and clever about it.

and Stockholm Syndrome is right. Anyway, read that poem and all I could think, is that this is Exactly how I have felt, dealing with religion all my life,

so now I am questioning, because I have not seen any life fruits, just a slow rotting death. I don’t know how fruits can be produced in a mental climate of ROT. Maybe I missed the memo somehwhere,

but there is no denying, religion is TOXIC. Male supremacy and male gods are TOXIC,

all there is to it.

Jane

this poem is about Islam but in my strong opinion it applies just as much to Christianity, it is by Alam, posted on Iran Solidarity, btw, Iran is now the council for the UN Women’s Human Rights, and the USA didn’t even object so, yea, now nations that rape nine year old girls with impunity represent All our human rights women–isn’t That nice,

welcome to 200 B.C.

Before they can dream any dreams

There was a time when men were kind
When their words were soft
And women were wooed
In the Meccan desert
And the Afghani mountains
There was a time when love was blind
And the world was a song
And the song was exciting
There was such a time
And then it all went wrong

For a psychopath, he came along
He built up a gang an’ called them Believers
He changed the rules, he changed the rites
Our ancient goddesses he killed
And put his allah in their place
Love was outlawed and dowries installed
And rich old paedophiles could marry a child
No soft looks
No tender hugs

Now the Bearded Believers come at night
With their dreams of paradise
And they shoot to kill girls going to school
And bomb female doctors and strangle dancers
No woman’s allowed to live her dream
Oh Muslim men have you no shame

Muslim men are the guards,
Women and girls their prisoners
To be ploughed like a field
A clod of earth at his command
The mothers have suffered,
The same fate and
So the Stockholm syndrome rules their brain

Where is the love, where is the honour
Some degradations no soul can weather
Don’t look up, don’t laugh out,
Do not think, do not sing
So each generation of girls’ souls killed,
Their bodies covered up
Oh Muslim men have you no shame

You hypocrites, hiding behind
That psychopathic creed
Your youth are labelled apostates
If they want to leave
And them you kill
Before they can dream
Their own dreams

Hi, new here. [though I have read off and on]

I come from that Radical Feminist camp [years of study/and I still advocate on women’s rights issues] so I’d like to address some things here. Because there is some error. First of all, feminism has so many different schools and waves that is it really an overstatement to suggest that feminism means unisex. There are segments that are more of the ‘degender’ or unisex however, they are I would say, more the minority than the mainstream. You have to also take into consideration the huge disparity between class and race and how all those factor into feminist thought.

The issue with the whole ‘unisex’ argument, I would say has more to do with the Debate within feminism of just HOW much gender is a learned construct opposed to biological determinism. And the fact is, they have some valid and Proven points because many differences [and this applies to males too] are in fact, Learned behaviors, they are NOT biological. The problem with the over dependence of the biological argument, i.e. that women are emotionally different and so forth is that it gives more weight to the comp justifications.
There has been too many studies proving that differences are in fact, learned by how children observe the world around them. Now, does that mean that there isn’t any biological differences?
No, I don’t believe it does [though many feminists would not concur] however, here’s another problem with the whole biological determinism.

And its not in addressing patriarchy but addressing the truth that women can be abusers. There ARE women who abuse including sexually their children, there ARE women who do NOT bond with their children and who are more masculine in that they tend to be more masculine in their thinking. One of the issues I had with the whole biological determinism while Working among feminists was over this very issue because Radical Feminists [of the more goddess mother] absolutely Refuse to see that there are yes, women who are just as evil and who are not maternal by Nature. This causes a lot of problems for women [and men] who are survivors of female violence including sexual and not only that, we are seeing this issue cropping up a lot in domestic violence in lesbian relationships. Many who are biological determinists will claim that their violence is only a ‘transfer’ of patriarchal mores,
I strongly disagree. Being a survivor my self of female abuse [mother] and my brother is also a survivor I can Assure you, this fantasy of the biological ‘nurture’ weak woman Madonna image is complete bull.

Not every woman is that way, just as not ever man is born a rapist and a blood thirsty machismo killer. The problem with the biological ‘differences’ argument is that it reinforces patriarchal ideas.

On the other hand, yes, you are correct, the whole insistence that we are all neutral and gender is ONLY a construct leads to in fact, I would insist, to a more sinister misogyny because it appears to me that the ‘unisex’ that is more desired is in fact, the male sex. We have seen this in forced de-gender policies in communism and other eugenics/fascist porgrams.

Forgive my poor writing on this issue, its been a LONG time since I’ve written on it and my use of terminology is rather poor, that and its late, but when I was working on research for a thesis on this, I noticed a couple of flaws within both arguments. I tend to be of the both nurture and environment school rather than an either or. Also I think, that the gender tends to be more in ‘stages’ rather than preset from birth, allow me to clarify.
We know that childbirth, for the most part, but NOT always, does change women’s emotional state. They yes, are more vulnerable, etc., this is nature’s way of assuring protection for the child, etc. But a woman is not this way prior to birth, and even prior to puberty we see that boys and girls really do not differ that much Unless there are strict gender roles being taught/or are in the culture. After children are grown women tend to tap more into the neutral side again [my observation] and in older age, more like to the way they were as children, where gender is concerned. I have seen this in men as well, again, I believe a lot of it does have to do with mores and gender constructs here.
While I do not agree with the whole anti-biological and therefore we should deconstruct all roles [which is by far usually anything to do with feminine and is another form of misogyny–and I have a theory on this in regards to the whole GLBT lifestyle, that it really is the final completion of misogyny and that patriarchy/comps have really more in common with the misogyny ‘male favored’ traits/norms within the GLBT community.]

Anyway while I strongly disagree with the whole deconstruct gender ideologies I do have to say we shouldn’t dismiss either the role that constructs do play in gender.
To do so is to actually reinforce the justifications used to perpetuate female inferiority and male dominance.

In my studies on violence, male violence included to mob violence I have noticed that those traits are learned, that the whole argument of males having more testerone (sic) therefore they are just by nature prone to violence to be false. I believe that has more to do with culture than anything. Boys Learn violence and male power [where many feminists disagree with me] and girls learn passivity. One evidence of this is that we are seeing far more youth crime among females. Or is it, that we are paying more notice to it?
There has always been female madames and females who abuse so this rise of female violence can’t be something new, due to culture. I believe its always been there, just like in men,

but that gender constructs have made it possible for those facts to be hidden or dismissed as mere anamolies. (sic) The Bible too goes into this in the curses for disobedience in the OT where it says that with the fruition of iniquity men will abuse their women and women will eat their young. Is it that environment causes this or is it that those traits are Already there and as sin is passed down and laws eroded [lawlessness] the true nature of humans comes out, and that nature is more surely, not gender specific or biologically different because of gender.
And I believe we really should look further into this because the fact is many women are violent, there were women in Israel who were trafficking other women and having them gang raped/and used in sex slavery; there are women who pay to rape via prostitution [fact]; there are women who abuse and rape children, including their own [fact]; there are women who are just as violent and heartless as many men [fact],

and there are men who are very sensitive and nurturing [fact]; there are many men who are passive and who do not like violence nor war [fact] but they are not efeminate. (sic) There are men who are better mothers than women [fact].

BY nature, not because they learn to be. So my point is that there are some truths to the arguments that the way we Define gender can be bias based on preconceived gender mores or roles. In many countries men cry and are not in any way hesitant to show it. In many countries women do all the work and are stronger physically.

While I do not believe that humanity and most surely government should dictate gender or degender by force, etc., that doesn’t mean that we should continue to perpetuate these beliefs that put gender into a box.

As for God, I have questioned Him a lot on this matter, and the OT does say, He is not a man. However, I believe that in both scripture and in Nature, His creation, does reflect a lot of who He is, and I do see both male and female traits, and in nature the females often defy our so called biological gender roles and males too. The seahorse, males give birth, the females in many animal kingdoms are the matriarchs and the strongest, and the dove, the symbol of the Holy Spirit, it is the male, who bows to the female. I know, I have six of them and I hear/watch them all the time.

In the parrot kingdom the females are the more aggressive and they literally rule the roost, in most of the parrot kingdoms except for a few. In other words, in nature there isn’t any ‘gender box’ or biological box, in fact, many plants and one animal [a lizard] that I know of, create offspring by Themselves, they are some that are genderless.

So I think we overstate when we say that we are biologically different emotionally and so forth when we may not be as different as we think. We may have different functions, but those too vary according to the age/phase in our lives. And those vary according to the Individual.
One good thing [well several good things I took] from the schools of feminism [and other ideologies and yes, I am Christian] is that maybe its not so important as to sameness and difference and equality, in putting genders into boxes of us and them or classes of people, etc. Because those tend to make us a bit narrow and it opens the door to all kinds of superiority beliefs and oppression and prejudices.

Maybe, its more about the Individual and where androgenous (sic) is concerned, I think we can be more androgenous that we think…maybe not all the time but at times in our lives. And if we can understand that we can work to bridge those differences that are learned and work yes, to an equality based on individual differences based on gifts and talents rather than gender, skin color and class.

Sorry for all the typos and I could have written this so much better but I’ve not written in a formal way in some time, skills a bit lazy there. But I hope, I have at least, encouraged some thinking on this.
Jane