Michael Terran
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God is neither male nor female, But He uses BOTH terms (Male & Female) More or Less to tells us more about himself so that we don’t going off into error on our part of understanding!
I totally agree with you teknomom!
In the book of Kings God called out two “SHE BEARS” and killed 40 kids/people for making fun of his prophet! We all know you don’t mess with mom let alone momma bear! Christians…men…over look those little things in scripture. He didn’t use two male bears, No, But two “SHE”/FEMALE bears! Just when they All think they have God figured out….Boom…then we open up scripture and say to our selfs wait just a minute! Thank You Holy Spirit! LOL (Smile)
What great questions! Yes I’m on the TBC mailing list as well.
you said “Neither extreme is right.”
Your right on that one. I said this before, I think God uses male terms like ,He, Father,Him etc so noone can say God birth the creation/world from within, alot of Goddess cults & newagers teach stranges things like that more or less. Men don’t have wombs and just shows us humans that God created everything from Nothing, he spoke it and it was so! Also the trinity is 3 persons Yet there is only ONE God. Using male terms within the Trinity shows that they did not birth one another but that ALL 3 are Co-equal/No beginning and No end etc. So using male terms is wisdom on God’s part to make those issue clear to us. Also we know Jesus had to be male because of Adams sin Not Eves (woman)! That clears up that issue as well!
Yet wisdom is refurred to in a Female term…She!
God did say in the endtimes people would go from bad to worse, one extreme too the other! An don’t we see that today!!!!!! LOL
God Bless You In Understanding The Deeper Things Of God!
the 12 apostles are the foundation etc etc. So is it Matthias that is part of that foundation? It can’t be judas right? What if Paul is really the 12th! please help.
This is a Great Article by The Berean Call! The article goes well with your quote Cheryl!
Quote: Satan has confused matters by bringing ungodly women into the secular women’s movement who not only have hijacked that movement and taken it onto a pathway of evil but who usurp God’s authority in creation and teach that men and women are the same. By their ungodly and unnatural teaching they uphold the sinful position of those who want to propagate same sex unions. Again the lie of the devil is that equality = sameness. End Quote
The Berean Call
- The Goddess and the Liberal Church
[ http://www.thebereancall.org/node/6109 ]
The Goddess and the Liberal Church
The message of the goddess has gained a hearing in the church as well.
The philosophy of the goddess is currently being taught in the
classrooms of some of our seminaries. In a growing number of seminaries
the student population is becoming increasingly female, and many of
these women have a feminist outlook on life. Mary Daly, who considers
herself to be a Christian feminist, says this about traditional
Christianity: “To put it bluntly, I propose that Christianity itself
should be castrated.” The primary focus of the “Christian” feminist is
to bring an end to what they perceive as male-dominated religion by
“castrating” the male influence from religion. Daly continued by
saying,
“I am suggesting that the idea of salvation uniquely by a male savior
perpetuates the problem of patriarchal oppression.”(Alice Hageman,
Theology After the Demise of God the Father: A Call for the Castration
of Sexist Religion, New York: Association Press, 1974, 132.)
Reverend Susan Cady, co-author of Sophia: The Future of Feminist
Spirituality and pastor of Emmanuel United Methodist Church in
Philadelphia, is one example of the direction that Daly and others are
taking the church. The authors of Sophia state that, “Sophia is a
female, goddess-like figure appearing clearly in the Scriptures of the
Hebrew tradition.”
Wisdom Feast, the authors’ latest book, clearly identifies Jesus with
Sophia. Sophialogy presents Sophia as a separate goddess and Jesus as
her prophet. The book takes liberty with Jesus by replacing the
masculine deity with the feminine deity Sophia. Another example of how
goddess “thealogy” (note feminist spelling for theology) is making its
way into the liberal church is through seminars held on seminary
campuses.
One such seminar was held at the Perkins School of Theology at Southern
Methodist University. “Wisdomweaving: Woman Embodied in Faiths” was
held
at the school in February of 1990. If one looks at the schedule of the
seminar, it is obvious that the emphasis was not on orthodoxy. Linda
Finnell, a follower of Wicca and one of the speakers, spoke on the
subject of “Returning to the Goddess Through Dianic Witchcraft.” Two of
the keynote speakers were of a New Age persuasion. In fact, one, Sr.
Jose Hobday, works with Matthew Fox and Starhawk at the Institute for
Creation Spirituality.
I never thought about that, but your right about the kings. That had to influnces the people greatly thinking God only uses men! God does step in at key points with the nation of Israel to get them out of darkness. The nation was into idols many times and when it got to a certain God steps in. I see in Scripture and even in the old testament man wants to do things his way but God steps in an shows His way which is best!
But we must note just because something was written in scripture doesn’t mean God approved of it like for example: solomn with his 8,000 wifes! or jacob with his two wifes! It seems God is always working with mankind even in our sinfulness and freewill that he gave us, but God proves that doing things HIS way is better!
Thank you for that info!
Beth Moore’s study Beloved Disciple, Good study. I wasn’t allowed to be apart of that study because it’s a womens group (evangelical free church) At that moment that Church is really not FREE!
149teknomom Great Great Point On Adam & Ms Eve! God only told the man..adam to leave not the woman. Is the word man applying to BOTH or just to Adam? Great Point I can’t state that enough! Without reading anything into the text/account, it makes alot of sense! I felt my spirit jump but in a good way! I’m printing that out!
I believe Jesus/The Bible said “Let No one steal your reward” and that is what CFBMW is doing to women In Christ. Keep them in the back there by stealing there reward! That scripture jumps out at me!
All of God’s prohibitions have a second witness.
That’s True Even in the Garden! Eve (The Woman) stated the prohibition on the Tree of Knowledge Of Good & Evil! Adam’s first witness is God himself telling him and the second witness you can say is Eve. She stated it and adam was right there/next to her to hear it! Plus Paul backs up the fall/account in Romans & Tim. and in Cor.’s! Also have the Holy Spirit as a witness too, who is bringing this all to Pauls mind! Great Job
All I can say is Woahhhhh Great Job Cherly! This topic is so powerful with ALL the scriptures in Context! Great Point about the Berean’s! You are a True Berean!
I’ll be a witnesses to Biblical Equally, Cherly makes two and there are many more! We are all born-again an In Christ. This matter is a FACT! (smile)
You may have noticed in the last section of WIM that I say that equality does not mean unisex. Women are different than men and that is the way that God planned it. Woman was created to meet a man’s need.
What a Great point to bring out Cherly! Woman means man with a womb. So a women form would be geared for that and the soft voice and frame go with that, they complete one another. There would be a different but in noway that means one would have rule over the other instead they would rule equally together as a team! Both need each other to be complete and whole!
He said : there is a reason Jesus Christ chose only men as his apostles and it wasn’t because he was a sexist. Women are too easily influenced by their emotions and will, inevitably, stray from the “truth”
Jesus chose 12 (Jewish) men because of the 12 tribes of Israel, he was trying to show the people of Israel that he is doing something NEW!At that point in time Men (Jewish) didn’t listen to women for that matter. Once enough Jewish Men or Men came to faith in Christ the Women would come along side and rule together with them equally, we see this in Creation of Adam & Eve! Yes God is a God of order but not in the way your thinking. I see a pattern here that the Lord is using but can in no way stop women from teaching Truth!
Scripture No where said women are easily influenced. That would make God look bad, almost saying Eve (The Woman) was made badly. We know from Scripture She was made Perfect Every Thing Was Very Good! I’ve studied these issues greatly and have degrees to back up my studying. I have alittle Jewish blood running through my veins from my mothers side of the family. So that got me to learn more about my Jewish roots so to speak. Just take an honest look at scripture with out reading anything into it. Please pray for God’s Truth Not Man’s!
Evangelist Michael Joseph Terran D.D.
He said : there is a reason Jesus Christ chose only men as his apostles and it wasn’t because he was a sexist. Women are too easily influenced by their emotions and will, inevitably, stray from the “truth”
Jesus chose 12 (Jewish) men because of the 12 tribes of Israel, he was trying to show the people of Israel that he is doing something NEW!At that point in time Men (Jewish) didn’t listen to women for that matter. Once enough Jewish Men or Men came to faith in Christ the Women would come along side and rule together with them equally, we see this in Creation of Adam & Eve! Yes God is a God of order but not in the way your thinking. I see a pattern here that the Lord is using but can in no way stop women from teaching Truth!
Scripture No where said women are easily influenced. That would make God look bad, almost saying Eve (The Woman) was made badly. We know from Scripture She was made Perfect Every Thing Was Very Good! I’ve studied these issues greatly and have degrees to back up my studying. I have alittle Jewish blood running through my veins from my mothers side of the family. So that got me to learn more about my Jewish roots so to speak. Just take an honest look at scripture with out reading anything into it. Please pray for God’s Truth Not Man’s!
Evangelist Michael Joseph Terran D.D.
Why did Eve add to the commandment? “I must not touch it or yeh will die!”
Did Adam add that in to Eve (The Woman) when he told her about the tree? If so then if the Devil was spying on them he could use that against her/them! For the serpent was touching the tree for he was in it! Just a thought.
I love how you make it simple, no big fancy words, and even put in two charts to boot! I can see that you are using scripture in it’s context and that we are getting our info from just the bible alone! I like how the scriptures from the other books of the bible tie into Genesis and the Curse! It really explains everything clearly! Thanks
Hello,
My dear sisters In Christ. I was taught that men teach women follow, well that all changed when the Lord changed me! After I was Born-Again I was studing like crazy, I found that women can be in Full leadership! With the Holy Spirit I went through ALL of Scripture and a great study on The Trinity! They try to use the Trinity to prove there point But when you learn Jesus is FULLY God (emptyed himself for ALITTLE while as scripture states) and nothing less you can’t use that, it works against them! I’m living proof that the Lord is correcting this issue and if the Lord changed me (Which He Did!) he will change others! I thank God for this site which is a lighthouse of Hope!
basic 2-step formula
Thanks again Don, you make it so easy and simple a child can understand that one!
To Don Johnson,
Thanks Don for the extra info! It’s cool that I’m not the only guy on this site!
Matt said that in the Old testment we see no women priesthood etc etc. Trying to use the old testment to leave out women etc etc. But you can’t do/use that one.
First you had to be Jewish following The Law (we are not under the law)
second you had to be of the Levite’s tribe to be a priest working in the temple!
the 4th temple (which is Future also known as Ekz. Temple) has no womens court because it’s not needed, we are ALL one in Christ! Jesus even praYED THAT WE ALL BE ONE (ALL TRUE BORN-AGAIN BELIEVES)
Matt’s arguement falls short in many areas!
Hope this helps
Thank you for the article & time to send this e-mail, I looked over the article. I still disagree with the article. For exmaple: the article states:
Father was indeed an eternal obedience, rendered by an eternal equal, constituting an eternal subordination of the Son to do the will of the Father
Nice wording but the Son Is NOT/can’t be eternal subordination because Jesus is that ONE true God! ANY limit on Him in anyway you lose the Oneness/Tri-Unity/FULLY God of Him! ALL 3 Persons of the Trinity are seen woking as ONE!
You give me articles but I’m just using Only the Bible to prove my side of the issue! Just see below what is typed, I used bold print to drive the point home!
Another example: The Father & Holy Spirit:
INTERCHANGES OF “GOD” AND “HOLY SPIRIT”
Now we will consider more Scriptures proving that the Holy Spirit is indeed God. When the Bible interchanges terms exactly, we can be sure that God is teaching us that they are interchangeable. We will now commence to look at some Scriptures in the Old Testament referring to Yahweh God, and find that when they are applied and quoted in the New Testament, they are, in fact, attributed to the Holy Spirit. This is possible only if the Father, Yahweh God, and the Holy Spirit are the one God.
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EXODUS AND HEBREWS
Let’s consider Exodus 17:2,
“Therefore the people quarreled with Moses and said, “Give us water that we may drink.” And Moses said to them, “Why do you quarrel with me? Why do you test Yahweh (or, the Lord)?”
Notice that the people were clearly testing Yahweh God. When this account is referred to in Hebrews 3:7-9, we find that the people were testing the HOLY SPIRIT.
“Therefore just as the HOLY SPIRIT says, Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as when they provoked Me, as in the day of trial in the wilderness, where your Fathers tried Me, by testing Me, and saw My works for forty years.”
Indeed, the people were putting to the test the one God, revealed two ways in these Scriptures, as the Father and as the Holy Spirit.
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JEREMIAH AND HEBREWS
The prophet Jeremiah records a promise of YAHWEH God in chapter 31, verse 33,
“But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD (or YAHWEH), “I will put My law within them, and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God and they shall be My people”.
That promised new covenant is now a reality. The original uttering of that covenant promise was attributed to YAHWEH God, but let’s now read
Hebrews 10:15,
“And the HOLY SPIRIT also bears witness to us, for after saying, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days says the Lord; I will put my laws upon their heart, and upon their mind I will write them”.
Another revelation of the one God, through the Father and the Holy Spirit, who are the one God.
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ISAIAH AND ACTS
Another prophet, Isaiah, records in chapter 6, verses 8-10,
“Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send Me! and He said, “Go and tell this people; Keep on listening, but do not perceive; Keep on looking, but do not understand.” Render the hearts of this people insensitive. Their ears dull, And their eyes dim. Lest they see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, Understand with their hearts, and repent and be healed.”
When application of the Scripture was made in New Testament times by the apostle Paul, we find that the HOLY SPIRIT is credited with the utterance, in place of the Father. Acts 28:25-27 records,
“And when they did not agree with one another, they began leaving after Paul had spoken one parting word, “the Holy Spirit rightly spoke through Isaiah the prophet to your fathers saying,
“Go to this people and say, “You will keep on hearing but will not understand; and you will keep on seeing, but will not perceive; for the heart of this people has become dull, and with their ears they scarcely hear, and they have closed their eyes; lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart and turn again, and I should heal them.”
Yes, the terms “God” and “Holy Spirit” interchange in Scripture. The Holy Spirit Himself is called “God” and He is that one true God.
Only Again Thank You for reading this,Bye,
Michael
My reply to him/his email is below! Notice I’m just using the bible and Only the bible to back up our side, no articles etc etc!
Thank you for the article & time to send this e-mail, I looked over the article. I still disagree with the article. For exmaple: the article states:
Father was indeed an eternal obedience, rendered by an eternal equal, constituting an eternal subordination of the Son to do the will of the Father
Nice wording but the Son Is NOT/can’t be eternal subordination because Jesus is that ONE true God! ANY limit on Him in anyway you lose the Oneness/Tri-Unity/FULLY God of Him! ALL 3 Persons of the Trinity are seen woking as ONE!
You give me articles but I’m just using Only the Bible to prove my side of the issue! Just see below what is typed, I used bold print to drive the point home!
Another example: The Father & Holy Spirit:
INTERCHANGES OF “GOD” AND “HOLY SPIRIT”
Now we will consider more Scriptures proving that the Holy Spirit is indeed God. When the Bible interchanges terms exactly, we can be sure that God is teaching us that they are interchangeable. We will now commence to look at some Scriptures in the Old Testament referring to Yahweh God, and find that when they are applied and quoted in the New Testament, they are, in fact, attributed to the Holy Spirit. This is possible only if the Father, Yahweh God, and the Holy Spirit are the one God.
——————————————————————————–
EXODUS AND HEBREWS
Let’s consider Exodus 17:2,
“Therefore the people quarreled with Moses and said, “Give us water that we may drink.” And Moses said to them, “Why do you quarrel with me? Why do you test Yahweh (or, the Lord)?”
Notice that the people were clearly testing Yahweh God. When this account is referred to in Hebrews 3:7-9, we find that the people were testing the HOLY SPIRIT.
“Therefore just as the HOLY SPIRIT says, Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as when they provoked Me, as in the day of trial in the wilderness, where your Fathers tried Me, by testing Me, and saw My works for forty years.”
Indeed, the people were putting to the test the one God, revealed two ways in these Scriptures, as the Father and as the Holy Spirit.
——————————————————————————–
JEREMIAH AND HEBREWS
The prophet Jeremiah records a promise of YAHWEH God in chapter 31, verse 33,
“But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD (or YAHWEH), “I will put My law within them, and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God and they shall be My people”.
That promised new covenant is now a reality. The original uttering of that covenant promise was attributed to YAHWEH God, but let’s now read
Hebrews 10:15,
“And the HOLY SPIRIT also bears witness to us, for after saying, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days says the Lord; I will put my laws upon their heart, and upon their mind I will write them”.
Another revelation of the one God, through the Father and the Holy Spirit, who are the one God.
——————————————————————————–
ISAIAH AND ACTS
Another prophet, Isaiah, records in chapter 6, verses 8-10,
“Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send Me! and He said, “Go and tell this people; Keep on listening, but do not perceive; Keep on looking, but do not understand.” Render the hearts of this people insensitive. Their ears dull, And their eyes dim. Lest they see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, Understand with their hearts, and repent and be healed.”
When application of the Scripture was made in New Testament times by the apostle Paul, we find that the HOLY SPIRIT is credited with the utterance, in place of the Father. Acts 28:25-27 records,
“And when they did not agree with one another, they began leaving after Paul had spoken one parting word, “the Holy Spirit rightly spoke through Isaiah the prophet to your fathers saying,
“Go to this people and say, “You will keep on hearing but will not understand; and you will keep on seeing, but will not perceive; for the heart of this people has become dull, and with their ears they scarcely hear, and they have closed their eyes; lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart and turn again, and I should heal them.”
Yes, the terms “God” and “Holy Spirit” interchange in Scripture. The Holy Spirit Himself is called “God” and He is that one true God.
Only Again Thank You for reading this,Bye,
Michael
The below was send to me from Harvest Church In IL. they don’t believe in Biblical Equality and tey try to use the Trinity to support this flase teaching about women!
Michael,
Thanks for your response. I appreciate your heart. I’ve included a link to an article that you might find interesting.
http://www.cbmw.org/Journal/Vol-6-No-1/Tampering-With-the-Trinity
Many blessings to you as you seek to faithfully follow our Lord,
Gerald
31voiceofsanity
It is hard to believe that you can’t see that you are clearly starting with your desired conclusion (i.e. that women should teach in church and be able to become pastors and elders) and twisting scripture to support your preconceived belief. Matt is right and you are wrong. The fact that he has 2000 years of theological scholarship to back him up puts the burden of proof on you. You have not met that burden and I hope you will repent of your errant beliefs.
First off: I came from a JW background who teachings that women can’t teach etc. When I found out Jesus was Fully God etc, I said what if they are wrong also on this womens issue. So after about a year after I accepted Christ, The Holy Spirit moved me to check it out. I was reading up on women of the bible one day as a study, yet in the Church I go to… I didn’t see there examples lived out???Then I found out the church I go to, view on women! This is wrong, I looked at the 1st Cent. Church of the Bible and looked at my church and found 2 totally different ways! After much Questioning,Studying, Praying, Thating ALL of scripture in view from The glasses of the Holy Spirit etc.I found the answer to the womens issue. They CAN teach an LEAD! The example of our dear Lord and how He treated Woman/Women is what sealed the deal for me as well as undestanding Paul an the way he teaches!
I hope my journey can somehow help you & others. God Bless
You go to Hell or you put yourself there because you don’t have CHRIST. If you have The Real Jesus of the Bible: Fully God/Fully Man, The Cross,The Blood,Finished work etc if you are Trusting in Christ alone your Saved and noone can take that away, Noone!
Romans 8
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
We are not under law, it’s just more bondage from man or mankind.
“They are unsure, though, if a woman who continues to “disobey” God by teaching men will go to hell or not.”
The above phrase sounds just like the JW’s…a Cult! We as believers are to Contend for the Faith and preach the Gospel of Christ FULLY to ALL, That’s what my bible said!
What about the woman at the well, after speaking with Jesus she went back an preached to her town about Christ and many were saved! You don’t hear Jesus saying and NEVER did he say “Hold on a second let me get a man to do this because women are not allowed to teach!”
I hope this helps you Cathy. My name is Michael an I’m here to help you anyway I can because your my sister in the faith.
Also in NAS in Romans 16 it uses the male form Junias
KJV uses the female form Junia,
which is a name like tiffany it can Only be female, plus the name was commonly used as female only we see that in History/Writings of old!
The NAS has 3 male phrases for the use of elder an 2 for female
Yet KJV equally one phrase for Male one for Female!
NAS elder, 3; elders, 57 times used
KJV elder, 64; times used
why add extra phrase’s? Why does NAS bible use a total of 9 phrases and KJV has a total use of 4 phrases on the word “Elder”.
Did the tranlators of the NAS want to exclude women somehow by adding in more meanings? Just a Throught
I made a mistake sorry of the number of times the word elder is used on women!
only once for woman but 64 times “elder” is used an means a old person man or woman!
Notice that the NAS “ADDS” more male phrases to it’s use yet both NAS & KJV use it the same number of times 67 throughout scripture!
This mistake that has now been corrected still doesn’t change the fact that there must have be women there an or women elders too!
The KJV bible does use the word more correctly!
Here is my quick research to keep things short, sweet and truthful
The word “brethren” in ACTS 15
The New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong’s Number: 80 a)delfo/v
Original Word Word Origin
a)delfo/v from (1) (as a connective particle) and delphus (the womb)
Transliterated Word Phonetic Spelling
Adelphos ad-el-fos’
Parts of Speech TDNT
Noun Masculine 1:144,22
Definition
1.a brother, whether born of the same two parents or only of the same father or mother
2.having the same national ancestor, belonging to the same people, or countryman
3.any fellow or man
4.a fellow believer, united to another by the bond of affection
5.an associate in employment or office
6.brethren in Christ
a)his brothers by blood
b)all men
c)apostles
d)Christians, as those who are exalted to the same heavenly place
Translated Words
KJV (346) – brethren, 226; brother, 113; brother’s, 6; brother’s way, 1;
NAS (173) – believing husband, 1; brethren, 13; brother, 111; brother’s, 8; brothers, 40;
So the word “brethren” IN context here is christians male & female!
It doesn’t mean just Male Gender But can apply to BOTH sexes/gender!
The whole Cha 15 once read: Context is that this is a mixed crowd Unbelievers( Men) & Believers (Brethren) & Old & Young, Male & Female
This is just on one word “Brethren” from cha. 15 of Acts!
This in noway is a full study on this Cha or on the full greek word for word. But this is a quick look and one word lookup in the greek on “Brethren!
Even the word “elder” in the greek is not just male only use but can also be female!
Why does the NAS bible cut it down an refur to women only 1 time and applyed to Male many times. Yet the KJV has it right 64 times elder woman!!!! only one time for old man! It’s like the tranlators of NAS fliped the KJV tranlation use! Now which bible are we going to believe, I stick mostly with KJV!
Translated Words
KJV (67) – elder, 64; elder woman, 1; eldest, 1; old man, 1;
NAS (67) – elder, 3; elders, 57; men of old, 1; old men, 1; older, 1; older man, 1; older ones, 1; older women, 1; women, 1;
Can you do a study on ACTS 15, because on Matt’s site this woman was using acts 15 to teach that only males were there. All one has to do is look up the greek and see if the words “Men” “Brothers” etc also mean/ include women/female/humanbeings! Also we need the Context of the full matter if there were only men there. Because that Cha15 in acts doesn’t say anything about a woman/women can’t teach! It saids nothing of the kind, so what if all men were there, it doesn’t explain the issue. I’ll have to look up the greek now an get back on this. But first i must pray for the leadinf of the spirit.