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One cannot be with eyes wide open and then turn around and blame a deceived person for their own action without it being a matter of blame shifting.

So the way Adam blamed her and God shows that he was not accepting his own responsibilty which is entirely different from the way Eve blames the serpent which God confirms her blame by cursing the beast for deceiving her.

His shifting blame completely shows in the way he blames her with no mention of why she gave him the fruit which was because of her deception and also because he was not deceived.

Adam was blame shifting and doing so in such a way as if his wife was not deceived when she gave him the fruit which is exactly why he is blame shifting. His shifting blame completely shows in the way he blames her with no mention of why she gave him the fruit which was because of her deception!

Is not what he said also the truth? Did God give Eve to him. Did not Eve give the fruit to him? So you see the same argument you use for Eve could equally apply to Adam.

No, what he said was not the truth because it was not the whole truth. God did not give a deceived woman to him, and a normal Eve did not give the fruit to him, but a deceived Eve gave the fruit to him.

I have shown exegetically, using the precise grammar (and the parallel construction with Adam’s response) how one cannot say Adam is blame shifing and not Eve

I really can’t understand the problem here, Mark. Eve blamed the serpent and God blamed the serpent too. Eve’s blame was accurate and the truth but Adam’s was not. Eve, God and Adam all placed blame. So what is your point??

It’s the kingdom of man.

http://blog.sojo.net/2009/03/08/the-danger-of-deception/

*Oh Delilah*

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However, I think that the next step to that fallacy is to accuse women of being seductresses, seducing men to do things they shouldn’t, which by the way is evil. This would hint that woman was created with evil inclinations and was not pure as the man was in creation. and on it goes…..

and on, and on, and on and on untell there’s but a blob.
One word: diapers

but the purpose of this article is not to refute MacArthur but to question how complementarians who believe teachers like John MacArthur can even allow a woman to teach the bible to other women?

I donno. Boggles the mind ;P

Hmm… They allow women to teach other women because ______________.

But MacArthur fails to preach that truth. Instead he says that there is a role designed for the gender which is weak, deceivable and insubordinate.

This tells us alot about god doesn’t it?!

It’s terrible to put such an awesome God in that kind of light. It’s a shame to him. It brings him down.

Where does the Bible say that the woman caused the Fall of the race? It doesn’t say this. In fact the blame for the Fall is placed on the one who was not deceived by the serpent. It was Adam who ate with his eyes wide open to the truth and he was not deceived. He caused humanity to enter into sin.

Isn’t it interesting how the blame for the fall has been placed onto the shoulders of the deceived one rather than on the shoulders of the one who knew exactly what he was doing – the one whom the bible blames in all kinds of places, Adam. Instead of Adam being given sole responsiblity for the fall of all things – humanity – he’s given a hierarchal position.
And instead of being viewed lowly because of his cause to humanity, he’s viewed highly for his sex/flesh. Makes sense doesn’t it? Yes, gender is more important than one’s rebellious position in relation to God. Go figure.

What we have to understand here is that all women are delivered. Now listen carefully. All women are delivered from the stigma of having caused the Fall of the race by childbearing.

Oh, this is interesting. Eve caused the fall of the race when she was deceived yet Adam wasn’t! A deceived woman caused Adam to “fall.” And how exactly does that happen when one is not even deceived?! LOL

But woman…woman who is designed by God to be under a head and a leader and a helper and a protector and a savior,

And, and, and, and LOL! Wow, wonder woman, look it’s superman!

What about a woman who regularly teaches the Word of God to other women in a Bible study or in a Sunday School setting or even a women’s only weekly service?

Bible study or Sunday School teaching in this case isn’t considered “primary teaching” or “authoritative teaching” but both are still “teaching.” So what’s the difference between “primary teaching”, “authoritative teaching” and just good ol’ “teaching” if all three are the gift of God and bibilical?

So if a woman teaches out of her gift from God and it’s biblical, then what makes makes it non-authoritative? And how would her teaching not be primary since it’s God’s gift vs an elder teaching who is able to teach but not gifted by God to teach. Wouldn’t the gifted of God be primary over an elder who is just able to teach because the teaching that would flow out from the gifted would be superior to the non-gifted teaching. But here in this case the elder is to be male and the one teaching and his teaching is considered primary even if he is not gifted by God for teaching. So the elder’s teaching is to be considered “primary” yet if he’s not gifted his teaching wouldn’t be superior – divinely gifted.

go through the passage carefully and figure out what the text is exactly saying?

I think this is a problem with compism, calvinism, and whatever other doctrines that bear out one inconsistency after another that are out there – they don’t line up with what the text is exactly saying. They lack precision.

I’d remove myself from the planet if that were the case! I’d be outte saying God beam me up!

Man, if all people were totally depraved you couldn’t walk outside your door in the day time, let alone the night time.

You ain’t kidden!

For instance, try to find this view of equality in Genesis 1-it’s just not there.

Duncan’s third point is one of the most embarrassing points that defies us to find equality in Genesis 1 when there is nothing but equality there!

When complementarians state so confidently that God initiated an unequal rule in Genesis without a single direct comment by God to this effect, they cause the world to see Christians as having freedom to change God’s Word to suit their own doctrines and the Word of God is devalued and set up to public shame.

They also cause the world to see christians as unable to read, or lacking in reading comprehension skills.

Again, this is part of the inconsistency of Calvinism that makes me scratch my head.

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You are even lucky that I can speak to you without talking about the JW’s with every second sentence.

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Romans 7:18 (NASB)
18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.

Good verse that I need to keep in mind.

Our salvation also is not just a new body and the resurrection but a restored relationship with God that has been paid for by the Lord Jesus. Only Jesus can do that for us too, right?

Cheryl, can you expound for me a little on the first statment in regards to the fall of Genesis. And on your second statement I agree with completely. Thank you.

Interesting, women not being allowed to vote in church, in 2010, forced to be without a voice. Hmmm…

If Jesus as a human could be sinless because He was God then He wouldn’t be just like us. And if being God is what made Him sinless then why couldn’t He have a human father? Why must He have been born from a virgin without the possibility of a human father? This is where the incarnation comes into play with Him being fully God and fully man but without sin.

Thanks. Making notes ;P

Did the fall happen once? Or does it happen everyday when someone sins? Or do we really never fall because we can go back to being perfect after we once choose to sin, by deciding to choose to sin no more?

I’m noting this as I’m learning…:

and were by nature children of wrath

Interesting. Why would we be called “children of wrath” out of all things if we are born perfect – children of perfection with only the ability to chose to sin?

Why do we die?

Hopefully death/dying reminds us of our nature which is passing away.

1 Corinthians 15:22 (NASB) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

Why must we die if it weren’t for us inheriting it from Adam? Why do we inherit death from Adam when he was the one who sinned? There must be a reason.