Cheryl Schatz

gengwall #58,

Maybe this has all been said before and I am just dense and missed it, but it occurs to me that 1 Tim 2:11-12 remain completely within the marital realm, and specifically within the dynamics of the marriage being addressed, and have absolutely nothing to do with women’s conduct IN CHURCH.

I believe that you are right. There is nothing in these verses that appear that she is teaching and/or influencing anyone else. It is an issue with one man alone. I believe that he is one of the leaders of the church although I cannot prove that for sure. He is not deceived and he knows the truth as the situation is compared to the first married couple in the garden.

And the “all subjection” referenced in vs. 11 harkens back to Paul’s instruction for wives in Ephesians 5 to “submit…in all things” to their husbands. Call me looney (or forgetful) but I don’t see how verses 11-12 (or thru 15 for that matter) have one bit of relevance to the congregational setting.

You are not looney. You are correct. There is nothing in there about teaching a congregation.

How can people claim these verses are meant to keep women silent IN CHURCH and teaching only other women and children IN CHURCH when they seem to only be dealing with what is going on between a particular husband and wife IN MARRIAGE?

This is something that I have been asking since 2006 and I have yet to have anyone give me a clear answer.