1 Corinthians 14 — Research Notes (Cheryl Schatz)

Collection of 5 research notes examining 1 Corinthians 14:34-36, including the eta particle argument for quotation/refutation reading, the non-existent 'law' reference, segregated seating problems, and commentary from RtNT and Bender showing contradictions with Paul's affirmation of women prophesying.

Women In Ministry Research Notes

Collection of 22 research notes from Cheryl Schatz's Logos notebook on women in ministry, covering head coverings in 1 Corinthians 11, kephale as source, Genesis creation narratives, Ephesians 5 mutual submission, and Craig Keener's lecture notes on women's ordination.

Where Mike Winger Went Wrong on Women

Comprehensive response to the entire Mike Winger Women in Ministry video series (Parts 1-13)

The Debates Over 1 Timothy 2

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 12 on the debates over 1 Timothy 2:11-15

A 14-Point Biblical Case for Women Leaders and Teachers And Why Mike Winger, The Gospel Coalition, and the Southern Baptists Are Wrong About This

A 14-point biblical case for women leaders and teachers, responding to Mike Winger, The Gospel Coalition, and the Southern Baptists

What Winger Presently Gets Wrong: “Women Keep Silent” (1 Cor 14:34–35)

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 11 on 'women keep silent' in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

T4G Comp Tied To Gospel

The 2010 Together for the Gospel conference is on right now as I write this article. The conference this year is called The Unadjusted Gospel and according to J

Two Gifts Or One

The bride of Christ has been given gifts but are teacher and pastor two gifts or one

Mike Seaver Cheryl Schatz 10

## Responses to question #5

Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz 9

Ask John Piper Do Some Complementarians Deny Women Opportunities

## Do Some Complementarians deny women opportunities

Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz Discussdebate Women In Ministry 4

## Are Witnesses and Repetition needed to Prove Women may not teach the Bible

Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz 2

## Facing the spiritual “law” head-on from 1 Corinthians 14

Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz 1

## Building Bridges on the Women in Ministry debate

Wayne Grudem 3

This is the part 3 of answering Wayne Grudem’s “ Open letter to Egalitarians ” and his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his third question and my own answer

Round 3 Interview With Paul On A Woman

This post is the third one of a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day. Doug, a strong complementarian has been given the opportunity to ask Paul about

@Reneechop MacArthur for all his learning overlooks how Paul since ch7 has been responding to things that the Corinthians wrote in their letter to him. Paul quotes them and then refutes them: “What? came the word of God out from you[men]? or came i...

@Reneechop MacArthur for all his learning overlooks how Paul since ch7 has been responding to things that the Corinthians wrote in their letter to him. Paul quotes them and then refutes them: “What?

@MikeWingerii @noahsflood_ 1 Cor 14 speaks about all ministering. Maybe our way

@MikeWingerii @noahsflood_ 1 Cor 14 speaks about all ministering. Maybe our way of doing church which doesn’t allow the body to minister to the body that is the problem.

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Sounds like you are mixing up 1 Tim 3:2 w

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Sounds like you are mixing up 1 Tim 3:2 with 1 Cor 14:35…

@KimberleeJayneW @MikeWingerii @DoctrinesofRad Each Sunday at our church, there is a time at the end of the message where there is a mic and we wait to see what God will say through others. We put up a slide giving the “structure” based on 1 Cor 14; ...

@KimberleeJayneW @MikeWingerii @DoctrinesofRad Each Sunday at our church, there is a time at the end of the message where there is a mic and we wait to see what God will say through others. We put up

@TheWatchman1963 @VoicesHead100 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning You are quoting from 1 Cor 14:34-35 without noticing that Paul has been responding to things the Corinthians previously wrote to him. Just after this, Paul says, “...

@TheWatchman1963 @VoicesHead100 @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning You are quoting from 1 Cor 14:34-35 without noticing that Paul has been responding to things the Corinthians prev

@LapisRobustus No. Let's start with 1 Cor 14:34-35. Paul is responding to things the Corinthians wrote to him in their prior letter. These verses can be taken with quotation marks. Paul then says in v36, “What? came the word of God out from you [men]...

@LapisRobustus No. Let's start with 1 Cor 14:34-35. Paul is responding to things the Corinthians wrote to him in their prior letter. These verses can be taken with quotation marks. Paul then says in v

@DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii @pastherandie I taught all the following in four 1.5hr sessions: Gen 1-3, 1 Cor 11:1-16, 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15, 1 Tim 3:1-13. The only reason @MikeWingerii needed 11 1/2 hours for this single passage in first Ti...

@DoctrinesofRad @MikeWingerii @pastherandie I taught all the following in four 1.5hr sessions: Gen 1-3, 1 Cor 11:1-16, 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15, 1 Tim 3:1-13. The only reason @MikeWingerii neede

@will_servant @KimberleeJayneW I agree with you, but to be fair, the English translations of 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15; 3:1-13, Tit 1:5-9, etc can sound like they are restricting women. It can take work to undo the stuff we’ve been told is Biblic...

@will_servant @KimberleeJayneW I agree with you, but to be fair, the English translations of 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15; 3:1-13, Tit 1:5-9, etc can sound like they are restricting women. It can tak

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @katsandhearts @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Only one person teaches at a time. Songs have doctrine in them, but I wouldn’t consider that teaching as teaching would involve explaining doctrine. I...

@VoicesHead100 @ScottCross_8 @katsandhearts @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Only one person teaches at a time. Songs have doctrine in them, but I wouldn’t consider that teaching

@freedom4alltime “Women know their role, they’re just refusing to submit to it”—where does the Bible refer to gendered roles? Is this concept or the word “role” even in scripture? A woman exercising her gifts is not rebelling if she has studied 1 Co...

@freedom4alltime “Women know their role, they’re just refusing to submit to it”—where does the Bible refer to gendered roles? Is this concept or the word “role” even in scripture? A woman exercising

@TheMuppetPastor @ryancduff Thanks for your honesty. So you must take a differen

@TheMuppetPastor @ryancduff Thanks for your honesty. So you must take a different view of 1 Cor 14:34-35. Curious to know how you interpret that passage. BTW, one day I will try your hand lotion and

@Furly43974976 @William_E_Wolfe The thing is, while some have been searching all

@Furly43974976 @William_E_Wolfe The thing is, while some have been searching all over for evidence of women, we’ve got 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-15, 1 Tim 3:1-13/Titus 1:5-9, Gen 1-3 etc well covered

@Richard89885354 @MarkGrote Paul was quoting many times from the letter from the Corinthians (see 1 Cor 7:1). You have to consider this possibility since what he seems to be saying in 1 Cor 14:34-35 contradicts what he says in the rest of the chapter...

@Richard89885354 @MarkGrote Paul was quoting many times from the letter from the Corinthians (see 1 Cor 7:1). You have to consider this possibility since what he seems to be saying in 1 Cor 14:34-35 c

@skcmonastery @Protestia No, this is not what Paul is saying in 1 Cor 14:34-35 as he is quoting from the prior letter from the Corinthians! v36 says: "What? came the word of God out from you [men]? or came it unto you [men] only?” (KJV) The fact is...

@skcmonastery @Protestia No, this is not what Paul is saying in 1 Cor 14:34-35 as he is quoting from the prior letter from the Corinthians! v36 says: "What? came the word of God out from you [men]? o

@BibGen1 No problem with men teaching true doctrine, but you missed what Paul wa

@BibGen1 No problem with men teaching true doctrine, but you missed what Paul was saying in 1 Cor 14:34-35. Hint: *verse 36* “What? came the word of God out from you [men]? or came it unto you [men] o

@bagby_abe @Protestia Paul is interacting with the letter the Corinthians wrote to him (see 1 Cor 7:1). If Paul was silencing women, then he’s contradicting himself: “For you can *all* prophesy one by one, so that *all* may learn and *all* may be e...

@bagby_abe @Protestia Paul is interacting with the letter the Corinthians wrote to him (see 1 Cor 7:1). If Paul was silencing women, then he’s contradicting himself: “For you can *all* prophesy one

Here's a summary post pinned to my profile of responses to various passages: 1 C

Here's a summary post pinned to my profile of responses to various passages: 1 Cor 14:34-45, 1 Tim 2:11-15, 1 Tim 3:1-13, Titus 1:5-9, 1 Cor 11:3, Eph 5:22-23, 1 Pet 3:1-6. https://t.co/4tYGBalq90

@liquid_danno I finally got through Payne's book. I find he says some good things and some very strange things. - His argument on 1 Cor 14:34-35 being an addition to the text⎯which does align with the idea that Paul is quoting from the Corinthian l...

@liquid_danno I finally got through Payne's book. I find he says some good things and some very strange things. - His argument on 1 Cor 14:34-35 being an addition to the text⎯which does align with t

In 1 Cor 14:34-35, Paul is quoting from the letter that the Corinthians wrote (see 1 Cor 7:1) and using the contrastive “or” (which is typical of Paul) to rhetorically refute it: “What? Came the word of God out from you [men]? Or came it unto you [me...

In 1 Cor 14:34-35, Paul is quoting from the letter that the Corinthians wrote (see 1 Cor 7:1) and using the contrastive “or” (which is typical of Paul) to rhetorically refute it: “What? Came the word

@Ken_FiveSolas @megbasham John MacArthur completely misinterprets 1 Cor 14:34-35 as he doesn’t recognize that Paul is quoting from the letter the Corinthians wrote to him (see 1 Cor 7:1). Paul quotes and then refutes them: "What? came the word of Go...

@Ken_FiveSolas @megbasham John MacArthur completely misinterprets 1 Cor 14:34-35 as he doesn’t recognize that Paul is quoting from the letter the Corinthians wrote to him (see 1 Cor 7:1). Paul quotes

@The_SergeMG @smashbaals No, that is incorrect. It is contested as it appears to contradict what Paul writes elsewhere in 1 Cor 14 to start. When your interpretation has Paul contradicting himself then you should revisit your interpretation. Paul ...

@The_SergeMG @smashbaals No, that is incorrect. It is contested as it appears to contradict what Paul writes elsewhere in 1 Cor 14 to start. When your interpretation has Paul contradicting himself t

@felipeswife My church has a response time after the sermon where people are fre

@felipeswife My church has a response time after the sermon where people are free to share within the constraints of 1 Cor 14. It has been refreshing.

@felipeswife 1 Cor 14 talks about 2 or 3 people prophesying, plus all the other ways to contribute like prayers, tongues and interpretation, words of knowledge, etc. I think if more people came with the expectation of contributing rather than just c...

@felipeswife 1 Cor 14 talks about 2 or 3 people prophesying, plus all the other ways to contribute like prayers, tongues and interpretation, words of knowledge, etc. I think if more people came with

@InnovationHQ2 @punkrockproseco @ADRoblesMedia It’s not crystal clear. In 1 Cor 14:34-35, Paul is quoting from the letter the Corinthians wrote to him and in 1 Tim 2:11-15 he is pointing out a situation that he left Timothy behind in Ephesus to deal...

@InnovationHQ2 @punkrockproseco @ADRoblesMedia It’s not crystal clear. In 1 Cor 14:34-35, Paul is quoting from the letter the Corinthians wrote to him and in 1 Tim 2:11-15 he is pointing out a situat

@IIIIIJOSHIIIII @JohnHar63885981 @DickSaban1 Thanks for reading through them. I don’t expect you to necessarily be convinced, but at least you gave it a look. The difference is that I have discovered how the scripture makes sense with this view. I...

@IIIIIJOSHIIIII @JohnHar63885981 @DickSaban1 Thanks for reading through them. I don’t expect you to necessarily be convinced, but at least you gave it a look. The difference is that I have discovere

@ymmotrojam Need I remind you that 1 Cor 14:34-35 comes *after* 1 Cor 11:5? If your interpretation is correct, Paul would have to say in chapter 11 that the women were doing something that they weren’t supposed to because it assumes they were doing ...

@ymmotrojam Need I remind you that 1 Cor 14:34-35 comes *after* 1 Cor 11:5? If your interpretation is correct, Paul would have to say in chapter 11 that the women were doing something that they weren

@igarglewithfire You are right about how ignorant people are to use a verse like this to stop you from saying anything anywhere. That’s clearly over the top. Yet even the idea that in the church you need to keep silent violates God’s commands in ...

@igarglewithfire You are right about how ignorant people are to use a verse like this to stop you from saying anything anywhere. That’s clearly over the top. Yet even the idea that in the church y

@ymmotrojam What do you see are Paul’s commands in 1 Cor 14:1-33,36-39?

@ymmotrojam What do you see are Paul’s commands in 1 Cor 14:1-33,36-39?

@ymmotrojam Also, “be silent” is a single command but Paul says “things (plural)

@ymmotrojam Also, “be silent” is a single command but Paul says “things (plural) I write”—start at the beginning of 1 Cor 14 and identify the commands Paul writes in the whole chapter.

@ymmotrojam 1 Cor 14:34⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 2:11⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 3:15⎯Paul is referring to the qualifications for elders (shouldn't be drunkards, greedy for financial gain, must hold to the faith with a clear conscience, etc)⎯it also doesn't ...

@ymmotrojam 1 Cor 14:34⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 2:11⎯doesn't say sin 1 Tim 3:15⎯Paul is referring to the qualifications for elders (shouldn't be drunkards, greedy for financial gain, must hold to the fa

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 In 1 Corinthians, Paul refers to the letter from the Corinthians in 1 Cor 7:1 that he is responding to. After that point, there are a number of their questions in 1 Cor 7:25; 8:1; 10:23-24; 12:1. Similarly, Paul is quotin...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 In 1 Corinthians, Paul refers to the letter from the Corinthians in 1 Cor 7:1 that he is responding to. After that point, there are a number of their questions in 1 Cor 7:2

@BogdanOancea77 @ingersoll_bob @MikeWingerii I agree there are lots of poor egalitarian arguments, especially on 1 Cor 14:34-35 and definitely on 1 Tim 2:11-15. So far, he hasn’t covered my view. He has known about it for 5 years now. Have you rea...

@BogdanOancea77 @ingersoll_bob @MikeWingerii I agree there are lots of poor egalitarian arguments, especially on 1 Cor 14:34-35 and definitely on 1 Tim 2:11-15. So far, he hasn’t covered my view. He

@gleasondj @narelleford @FrontiersIn @FrontEndocrinol But Paul was quoting from the letter the Corinthians wrote him (see 1 Cor 7:1) and in 1 Cor 14:34-35 this is a quote from that letter—he refutes them in v36: "What? came the word of God out from y...

@gleasondj @narelleford @FrontiersIn @FrontEndocrinol But Paul was quoting from the letter the Corinthians wrote him (see 1 Cor 7:1) and in 1 Cor 14:34-35 this is a quote from that letter—he refutes t

@nevermindlind @smashbaals Paul is quoting from the letter the Corinthians wrote (1 Cor 7:1). In this case, he is refuting what the Corinthians wrote. “What? came the word of God out from you [men]? or came it unto you [men] only?” (1 Cor 14:36 KJV...

@nevermindlind @smashbaals Paul is quoting from the letter the Corinthians wrote (1 Cor 7:1). In this case, he is refuting what the Corinthians wrote. “What? came the word of God out from you [men]?