Where Mike Winger Went Wrong on Women

Comprehensive response to the entire Mike Winger Women in Ministry video series (Parts 1-13)

What Mike Winger Gets Wrong on What Women Can’t Do

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 13 on what women can and can't do according to the Bible

The Debates Over 1 Timothy 2

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 12 on the debates over 1 Timothy 2:11-15

A 14-Point Biblical Case for Women Leaders and Teachers And Why Mike Winger, The Gospel Coalition, and the Southern Baptists Are Wrong About This

A 14-point biblical case for women leaders and teachers, responding to Mike Winger, The Gospel Coalition, and the Southern Baptists

What Winger Presently Gets Wrong: Women Apostles

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 5 on whether women were apostles in the New Testament

What Winger Presently Gets Wrong: Women Leaders in the New Testament (PART A)

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 4 on women leaders in the New Testament (Part A)

What Winger Presently Gets Wrong With Genesis 1–3: ‘Was Women’s Submission Just A Curse To Be Overturned?’

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 2 on Genesis 1-3 and whether women's submission was just a curse to be overturned

Masculine Christianity

This is part 2 of What God intended at creation and it is inspired by a recent lecture given by John Piper where he states that God’s intention for Christianity is for it to have a “ masculine feel “. After discussing John Piper’s Masculine Christianity, I will give my critique of his masculine argu

Eph 5 Infected

In my last post, I presented one of the best sermons that I have ever heard on Ephesians 5, regarding the evidence of Spirit-filled lives for both men and women. This post is on the opposite of the Spirit-filled life which is an influx of worldly infection through male-centered pride

Evaluating Schatz Seaver Debate

On July 27th, 2009 Mike Seaver and I started a ten session debate on Women in Ministry where I was able to ask Mike questions on his position, he answered my questions and then we each had one response. Mike is still considering whether he will continue with another ten sessions where Mike will ask

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## Facing the spiritual “law” head-on from 1 Corinthians 14

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## Building Bridges on the Women in Ministry debate

Ortlund Obscuring The Nature Of Male And Female

In our discussion of CBMW’s book Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood , continuing on in chapter 3 in the writings of Raymond C. Ortlund Jr

Anne Graham Lotz And 800 Pastors Shame

CBMW relates a story told by Anne Graham Lotz in the Washington Post where Mrs Lotz writes:

Is Complementarianism Merely Personal Conviction

This post is a response to Randy Stinson’s article titled “ Is Complementarianism a Merely Personal Conviction. “

From Bobbed Hair Bossy Wives And Women Preachers To Woman Be Free

I am very pleased that Stan Gundry has given me permission to post his story about how he changed his view from a staunch complementarian to an egalitarian. I would also request that if you have a story about your own journey from prejudice to freedom in Christ regarding women in ministry that you e

@JohnRayKite @TheLaurenChen Leading is demonstrating by example as Jesus said that no Christian is to ‘Lord it over’ another. So it’s not about a position of authority over others. Can you explain why women can be led by either but men seem to have ...

@JohnRayKite @TheLaurenChen Leading is demonstrating by example as Jesus said that no Christian is to ‘Lord it over’ another. So it’s not about a position of authority over others. Can you explain wh

@JamesGi27467089 Hm. Women can only serve in subservient roles under male leadership, so what I heard them saying was how happy and blessed they were to see women contribute and serve and even how their mother’s instructed them as children—though suc...

@JamesGi27467089 Hm. Women can only serve in subservient roles under male leadership, so what I heard them saying was how happy and blessed they were to see women contribute and serve and even how the

@pauldirks @KaeleyT We certainly have a lot of M/F confusion in our culture toda

@pauldirks @KaeleyT We certainly have a lot of M/F confusion in our culture today, but I don’t really see what vacuum you are referring to except perhaps how your church has a vacuum of female leaders

@detfan10084382 @MarkGrote Hm. I thought family proceeded the church? At any rate, if what you are saying is the case, then we need to make sure that what we think is the way the church is setup is actually what God intended. Did God intend only Je...

@detfan10084382 @MarkGrote Hm. I thought family proceeded the church? At any rate, if what you are saying is the case, then we need to make sure that what we think is the way the church is setup is a

@thomas1sams @MikeWingerii In that way of arguing, then men are gifted to lead o

@thomas1sams @MikeWingerii In that way of arguing, then men are gifted to lead other men (excluding women and children and teenagers). Last I checked, men seem to believe they get to lead everyone as

@ronhenzel @megbasham Yes, it is enough for my own church to have female leaders

@ronhenzel @megbasham Yes, it is enough for my own church to have female leadership without the world watching my brothers tell them it is so wrong that we can’t cooperate. Some witness that is. The

@PastorRobMonroe @KaeleyT @megbasham The idea of gender-roles is not something that the Bible introduces. The differences are what make mixed male-female leadership teams more effective. Women think differently and men tend to get stuck in linear thi...

@PastorRobMonroe @KaeleyT @megbasham The idea of gender-roles is not something that the Bible introduces. The differences are what make mixed male-female leadership teams more effective. Women think d

@JJacobs63985241 @Crystalisives @CherylSchatz @pastherandie @jdpritchett @MikeWi

@JJacobs63985241 @Crystalisives @CherylSchatz @pastherandie @jdpritchett @MikeWingerii Haha... well, I wasn't referring to sexual unions. I was meaning exclusively male leadership groups (like elder c

@TheRealSethStur @pastherandie @sheilagregoire @thomaslhorrocks I think that a reasonable outcome is that complementarians keep going but don’t preach against egalitarians or divide from them like in the SBC where they make this a statement of faith....

@TheRealSethStur @pastherandie @sheilagregoire @thomaslhorrocks I think that a reasonable outcome is that complementarians keep going but don’t preach against egalitarians or divide from them like in

@MikeWingerii Finally, most complementarians see 1 Tim 3:1-13 and Tit 1:5-9 as clearly requiring male leadership. But if this is the case: - Why does Paul use τὶς in v1 which means “someone” or “anyone”? Why didn’t he specify a male, or ἀνήρ? - I...

@MikeWingerii Finally, most complementarians see 1 Tim 3:1-13 and Tit 1:5-9 as clearly requiring male leadership. But if this is the case: - Why does Paul use τὶς in v1 which means “someone” or “any

1 Corinthians 14:12, 16, 29-31

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Genesis 2:15-20

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Numbers 12:1-15

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διακρίνω (diakrino)

to discern, to evaluate, to judge

Video 3 will cover women in leadership in the Old Testament, including Deborah and egalitarian surveys of female leadership.

Series overview and roadmap

Payne correctly refutes a bad complementarian argument that God naming the human race 'man' (adam) in Genesis 5:2 implies male leadership.

Payne identifies a weak complementarian argument

'Paranoid masculinity': over-regulation of gender roles in complementarian circles

Mike coins a term for a problem he sees in complementarian practice.

Genesis 2 recap: six indicators of Adam's pre-fall leadership over Eve.

Detailed summary of video 2 conclusions on Genesis 2

The OT records events in a very patriarchal culture — leaders are almost always men.

Initial perspective for approaching OT evidence

Deborah is a strong case for occasional high-level female leadership in the OT by God's appointment; all other judges are male.

Introduction to the Deborah discussion

A female leader may indicate preference for male leadership but not exclusion of female leadership; both egalitarians and complementarians stretch Deborah.

Framing the Deborah debate

The question: is Barak being rebuked for not stepping up as a man? Is God reminding us even with a female judge that a man should have been leading?

Interpretive question about the Barak passage

In their culture it was embarrassing that a woman beat Sisera — glory to Jael, shame to Barak — but this is not God's commentary against women leaders.

Interpreting the shame in the Barak-Jael narrative

OT pattern of male priests, apostles, elders, and husbands — but also male kings with no clear command

Mike examines the pattern of male leadership in scripture.

Adam and Eve appeal: creation order argument (1 Tim 2:13)

Mike examines Paul's use of 'For Adam was formed first, then Eve' as the basis for his restriction.

Announcement: upcoming deep-dive study on women's roles and gender in the church

2021 ministry plans

Commentary: Genesis 3:16 Is Descriptive, Not Prescriptive

Ardavanis says: > "God tells Eve that as a derivative of the curse, you will desire to master your husband... Women are going to fight against God's design for male leadership." **Ge 3:16** is descr

"If Any Man" — τις Is Gender-Neutral, and 1Ti 3 Does Not Exclude Women

At 14:32, he claims that one of the qualifications for a pastor is "most noticeably" that the elder be a man, which he states is THE consistent pattern of male leadership established in Ge and seen th